Thx Machine II

[thx4]

Hi Georg,

Same length and weight left/right.

https://youtu.be/6WElBqLKlAI

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[Georg Künstler]

Hi thx4,
you see now that you have 3 moveing weights which are oscillating.

When you change the length(shorten) of the middle pendulum, the complete construction will be top heavy.
In the moment, you have a center of mass which is below the turning axle, so the pendulum will act as a pendulum.

What we need is a CoM which is above the pivot point.
This will happen when you shorten the length of the middle pendulum.
if you try this configuration the complete construction will tip over.
A so called one shot.

From now on you need that what Bessler said, the bow stretches.
With this knowledge Bessler has managed it to switch off the action of gravity for 11 degrees.
The middle pendulum is also a pendulum on a rope.

The middle pendulum is hanging on the middle axle.
I will draw a picture for your understanding.

On the left picture the middle pendulum is out of action.
Because the construction is top heavy it will try to fall over.
This can happen for some degrees, in the apologia wheel Bessler has used 22,5 degrees, so we can use 11 degress to the left and the right.

on the right picture:
The middle pendulum will take into action and catch the fall.
You have now 2 acting weights on the right side and one on the left side.
A pullback function. The rope is forming a bow.
So you see the middle pendulum is in action only at a specific angle and phase. It is neutral for some degrees.

[thx4]

Thank you Georg for the method, the drawings and your perseverance...
It is not yet a miracle but we are getting very close. lol
There is a way to improve and build around it, after everyone does as he wants, all MT are good, now by working a little more you already have an engine.

Thank you Georg

https://youtu.be/qfHPSqUzybs

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[Georg Künstler]

Hi thx4,
close, but look
at the drawing again,

The pivot point of the upper part is the point of attachment of the middle pendulum.

Good luck, you now have one version of a swinging heart.
Of course some fine tuning, but you have the principle.
Essential is the bow, which you can now easily detect and the 2 to one relation during the oscillation !!

[unstable]

Hey thx4, great video, I really like the movement of the pendulum's stretched arms. The weights (bolts) strike against the pendulum rod and disturb the oscillation. It seems to me that you should try to stretch the two wires as the oscillation frequency of the two wires (with the bolts at the end) is higher than that of the pendulum. If you get to the resonance it could oscillate for a long time.

[thx4]

Hello everyone, 15 views in 24 hours is too much... lol
The subject is exhausted surely. This video is a draft, last night I changed a few things and of course I'm moving forward in the oscillation time.
To put an end to all stories or suspicions, I'm going to do a tempo test with a simple pendulum with the same weight and the same length of rod and we'll see if there is a better, and if the thing is exploitable. As far as I am concerned, there is no turning back, if there is a way to build a machine that turns for a very long time, it is to exploit the oscillation, as described by Georg, combined with any wheel, provided that it has a weight or unbalance offset, an inertia disk alone will not be enough.
This model should be similar to the MT51 with some adjustments. lol
I'll work on it in the next few days and if it works it will be a collective work, no patent, no property,... (smile)

Excuse me in advance. I am French and despite the fact that I have Scottish blood for half I do not speak English, I work with a translator and I understand you well enough, for some I have trouble but you too ..,
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[thx4]

I think B's idea when he says that 1 lifts 4 is often misunderstood, a simple roberval scale, with 10 kg on each side, you put 100 grs on a tray and you lift 10 kg opposite, B is a player.
we can suppose that once lifted, the 10kg fall brutally, so the 100 grs on the other side can leave the track quite brutally too, from there we can imagine a loop...

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[Georg Künstler]

Hi Thx4,
Bessler was right with his

one pound can lift 4 pounds.

He said, if you don't find that movement, there will be no hope for a running wheel.

The ratio he has freely chosen, in my opinion.
It fact it be any ratio which is allowing an mass/mass oscillation.
The oscillation must be an undamped oscillation.

from the physic book:

every disturbing force, no matter how small, leads to a resonance catastrophe if it is carried out periodically at the correct time.

[thx4]

Hi everyone,
test result :
Pendulum single version a little lighter by 100 grs, no weight at the ends and a little shorter length. 10cm.. lol

duration on a 45° throw : 5,03,93 mn
oscillating version : 8,19,77 mn

Considering the small differences it's not extraordinary, but 3 mn is a lot.

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[thx4]

Hello to all
I thought a lot during this power failure, the idea of switching a weight on another axis is for me the only (one of) the most logical solution, but here is the idea of the elevator and counterproductive to achieve it the price is too high.
One of the solutions would be to make an axis in an axis (not easy to explain without a sketch, a model will follow) the tipping of the weights becomes obvious. The weights are on the wheel (X) and a lever presses on the axis (y) of another wheel. We understand better why B did not want us to approach the axis.
To be continued.

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[thx4]

https://youtu.be/I_-G206Q76I

Last test before complete disassembly for a very different version.
Two inertia discs, one driving the other, 1 turn for the White, 3 turns for the Black, the rest is visual... :)

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[thx4]

https://youtu.be/yXo_SwG_aRU

Whatever the position of the spinner (with the weights) it is always in balance, I could have sworn the opposite. :)

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[Robinhood46]

The pendulums are always hanging vertically from their swivel. Therefore their mass, in relation to the centre, is identical to fixed weights at the swivels without pendulums. So it is equal to an equilateral triangle, which is perfectly balanced in any position.
The slightest lateral movement of the pendulums would cause a déséquilibre, as long as they all move slightly in the same direction.

[Fletcher]

That's right. The pendulum masses are 'felt' at their pivot point.

What would be interesting imo thx4 and RH46 is to use a one-way bearing at that pivot point. So the pends could swing/advance in one-direction but not the other. Directional inertia/cf ?!

Similar to building a Roberval Balance arrangement (or circulating Ramelli Geared Balance) and attaching the same one-way clutch bearings and pends as the finger-wheel arrangement in the vid. Great build btw.

Something to think about.

[Robinhood46]

I have already tried, using bicycle rear wheel gears for the one way mechanism. The problem is still the same, you need to find a way of forcing the swinging weights over using the force created by them being shifted over. i couldn't get the thing to work, but i didn't have any where near the sort of precision thx4 is working with.
This is one of the tries that led me to the theory of switching the swinging weight of the pendulum to become the swinger, of it's partner, and vice versa.
Thx4's builds are excellent.