Bessler's Kinematics

[agor95]

AP Poem verse

'The jack fires. The bow twangs;
a large herd of fat, lazy,
plump horses wanders aimlessly. '

A person can read what they will from this complex
verse.

For me I recognise the parts need to be integrated together in the end.

To start the separate elements appear to me to be

1. A jack-in-box fires. This is a quick and startling
vertical motion; blink and you miss it.

2. The bow twangs [no arrow]

3. Large in number, Fat, Plump, horses (weights).
lazy (not doing work) wandering aimlessly.

To me Bessler is pointing out

1. Weights want to do no work by moving at a constant speed in the same direction (velocity).

2. If they are moved then do so very quickly.

3. Weights want to minimise any work they are force to do due to their connectedness.

Can we replace Newton with Kinematics perceived by Bessler?

Thinking out loud.

[Georg Künstler]

playing billiard in the gravitational field.

one ball is hitting 2 others.
playing like billiard horizontal the 2 others will have the same energy each.

Playing the same game vertically the energy will be different because one ball will in addition accelerated from gravity and the other ball will be deaccelerated.
So the balls have an different speed for an observer.

You can also described that the upper ball has a delayed fall.

They reach the ground at different times.

[agor95]

Hello Georg

Well that was a curved ball.

If they were in free fall then the same would be true in case one as in case two.

Agreed they hit the ground at different times and speeds.

But it could be said that was the ground hits them.
Not the normal way round.

Regards

[agor95]

Hello All

I believe the image shows several cases where Bessler would have explained his understanding of his kinetics.

No billiards included.

The items

1. A sphere landing on a flat table.

2. A sphere coming off a slope (45 degrees).

3. A sphere pendulum with a 90 degree swing.
with six segments of arch
and lines made up of 20 dashes.
(initial slope 45 degrees)

4. A rotating disk. Which is a form of
multi-pendulums

5. Two spheres countering each other.
To be reviewed in light of the above.

6. A minute glass time peace.

Regards

[Tarsier79]

The image shown does not look like one of Besslers drawings. Is the Offer of 1000.... a document by Bessler, or did he have it made by a printer?

[agor95]

It would appear the image has not been attributed to anyone else?

However it is present in Bessler's documents.

With this and no record of the actual size of the AP Wheel image.

We seem to have some really weak foundational data in our studies.

Stay Strong

[agor95]

1. A sphere landing on a flat table.

I imagine if we just have the 'Lazy Horses' and Connectedness Principles then the sphere can move in any direction.

However to do so would mean doing work therefore breaking the first principle.

As some appreciate; I have my odd notion on the cause of gravity.

But for this it is mathematically equivalent to the ground accelerating up. You can do anything with maths so long as it is statistical.

Note. The space around and within the sphere is also fluctuating as much as the sphere but resulting is next zero; normally.

When the sphere connects with the table (Principle 2).

The sphere again needs to find how to do least work.

Now it's movements are restricted. A classic test to show connectedness.

Any movement either from horizontally or up will increase it's overall movement therefore not rolling is the minimum movement it can find.

[agor95]

Hello All

How well was Bessler as a mathematician?

I was under the impression he scorned their abilities.

In the same way as Edison preferred a piratical measurement being better than a
mathematical calculation.

Regards

[John Collins]

His logo seemed to claim he was a doctor of mathematics, medicine and perpetual motion, he also claimed tuition in measuring land and buildings. Also claimed "developed every opportunity to increase" his knowledge of "the workings of nature". His efforts eventually led to him becoming "successively a Cleric, a Doctor and finally a Mathematician"

JC

[agor95]

Hello John

The question is would he have built up his thinking using other persons mathematics/Kinematics or work up from the fundamental elements?

Thus finding actions that were missed by others.

For example treating acceleration like a series of additions.

Thus speed 0 increasing by 9.81 is a second. Then the resultant speed being increased by 9.81 in the next second etc.

Also a constant moving object or a stationary object are the same. Only when there is interaction via their connectedness and the 'Do least work' come into play.

Just Speculating

[agor95]

2. A sphere coming off a slope (45 degrees).

Here we have a sphere with it's sub-atomic particles wandering aimlessly (vibrating due to temperature).
This collection of objects in a sea of electric fields all in motion.

If you imagine a sub-atomic particle was stationary (fixed). Then proving that would need a reference frame, but the structure of space is the electric field and that is in motion. So neither can confirm the others position at any time.

For Example does the coast line move up and down or the sea. Logic and current observations we conclude both move.

When the sphere makes contact with the slope with an accumulating speed of 9.81 m/s. The sphere like in the example 1 needs to find a least work solution.

Moving into the slope is prevented due to the connectedness principle.

Moving up increases the overall work being done by the connected system (sphere, slope).

So it can move to the right. But by what amount?

The speed of light!

What is the least movement should it do to reduce the work it does from the sphere's term of reference.

Note. Objects not connected do not exist. Only the connectedness at the time is relevant.
However that itself is in motion and is changing the devices configuration.

Newton's Kinematics is not suited to multi-object interactions in 3 dimensional space.

Only later after Bessler's & Newtons death did an improvement appear.

So the sphere preferred state is not to move. By moving to the right it reduces the forced movement up by the slope.
This right movement can not be greater than the reduction in the upward movement.

This results in an increase in speed at which it goes into a constant speed/direction.
Therefore stationary for now.

Just Thinking out Loud.

[agor95]

Hello Georg

I have put this image here for it is similar to the one on the image at the start of this thread.

In effect the finger spinner is acting like a cam.

Regards

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Agor95,
the intention to show the finger spinner is that we have here in fact an inverted pendulum with 2 weights.

The suspension point of the pendulums is wandering in x,y coordinates.
Any small action, and the complete construction will turn top down.
I think that you can agree to that point that it is a one shot. It looks that this construction is not usable for PM.

But there are 2 simple ways how we can change this construction in an undamped oscillation system.
From this construction of the undamped oscillation you can start to develop the Bessler wheel.

One technique of this is to win by giving in.

A periodic force on the suspension point will increase the amplitude of an pendulum swinging.
if you have a pendulum that will hang staight down and you manipulate the suspension point up and down then you will not get the amlpification.
The amplification you can only achive it the pendulum is already swinging and you manipulate the suspension point.

Look in depth what is being done on the pendulum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGARjZxxeRo

Look how it is being started. Look at the periodic force, when is it applied. Why is the swinging amplified ?

[agor95]

Look how it is being started. Look at the periodic force, when is it applied. Why is the swinging amplified ?

I remember when this video was first posted on the forum.

The interesting question is 'How would Bessler explain this effect?'.

What point in the swing do you think is the most optimal time is too pull [shorten] the rope?

I am thinking a curved figure of 8 path should do the trick.

Regards

[Georg Künstler]

Hi agor95,

the optimal point has an offset of 180 degrees. like in any normal, also electronic amplifier.

So the forces for the amplification have an offset of 180 degrees.

Your look to 8 weights is far too complicated for the start.

Only two weights are necessary which are acting in an offset of 180 degrees.
Everyone is looking for a mass-> spring system, but Bessler has only used 2 masses to create the undamped oscillator.
One is arranging the other.

When you look at the swinging chalice , then this chalice is representing a mass.
The second mass is the mass of the church servants.
The church servants are pulling the rope with an offset of 180 degrees.
This pull/release will increase the amplitude swinging of the chalice.

The church servants represent the 4 weight units, the chalice 1 weight unit.
So we can lift with one weight unit 4 weight units via the oscillation.