Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[Sam Peppiatt]

The way it's shaping up is; there are four basic elements.
The pendulums, the one way clutches, the slider, and a spring.

FWEIW. it likes it better if the pendulums swing in on the up side instead of out on the down side. And of course they can't just swing in, they have to temporarily lock to the wheel. going up.

The pendulums do everything; return themselves back to the top of the wheel, eliminate bottom heaviness, stretch out the spring, for filliping, and drive the wheel.

However, have to test everything out to see if it all works--------------Sam

[Fletcher]

Good luck with the build and testing of the theory Sam.

You have the mechanical aptitude to get the job done.

I think many of us would like to see anyone get a positive result with a gravity only approach.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Thanks Fletcher! I'll know soon enough------------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

What's up with this-----------------?

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi WaltzCee,

Bessler BS, of course, What else--------------------but seriously, it all starts with the pendulums and the directional bearings. Sliders are out, offset is back in; part of the crooked path to getting it right.

If your are working with pends. don't give up on them. I wasn't quite sure of your question Walt------------------------------------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

a little while ago you mentioned, "I'll know soon enough------------------Sam".

I'm curious if you know now and do you plan on giving us an update.

[WaltzCee]

If your are working with pends. don't give up on them.

I've SIM'ed a couple of pendulum variations. Crane operators counter balance loads by
zig zagging it. They eliminate the RKE of the pendulum swing with that technique.

I've SIM'ed that and concluded pendulums sure can devoure some RKE.

[Sam Peppiatt]

WaltxCee,

Right. Still not working, but not for the lack of trying----------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

WaltzCee,

Follow up. I just tried the double pendulums. They are holding like a rock, no back swing. Anyway I should be getting close to, or at least closer to, a working wheel------------------------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

Right.

here's the tracking of a system COM of a swinging pendulum dropping then being raised
with its pivot point swinging circularly. It's basically a double pendulum.



as you can see it zig zags up and down. I've since modeled
pendulums that only zig zag for 1/2 a cycle, either the first
1/2 or the last. They are even more of a RKE hog.

Over the first cycle it misses the mark of its original potential
energy and slowly gives back any energy it had. Must be the
bad karma of the pendulum.

My guess is in a former (or maybe present) incarnation, the
pendulum was a real pooch screwer.

Most likely in the next incarnation the pendulum is going to
be the pooch.

[Sam Peppiatt]

WaltzCee,

You are right; pendulums solve the problem of a gravity wheel, only to become the problem-------------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

FWEIW,

Pendulums, despite there faults, have the unique ability to return weight / weights back to the top of the wheel. nothing else has that capability. Therefore, anyone attempting to build a gravity wheel is forced to cope with them, like it or not-------------------Sam

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Sam,
agreed, you have to work with pendulums or eccentric weights in general.

But a pendulum does not act as a normal pendulum in Besslers wheels.

A pendulum has it's oscillation frequency and therefore normally will swing back and forth until the energy which was invested before is being lost due to friction with the air.

When you mount such pendulums maybe 8 or 12 of them on a wheel and turn the wheel, everything is symmetrical.
This is due to the fact that the path of the weights are describing a round circle.

To describe it more precise, the suspension point of every pendulum is wandering on a circle path.

To get an advantage, an energy difference, the wandering suspension point has to move with different speeds.

A hi speed difference and therefore also an acceleration difference will be achieved with an impact/hit.

A sudden stopping of the movement of the suspension point will accelerate a pendulum upwards.

A horizontal movement of a pendulum and a sudden stop will accelerate a pendulum upwards against gravity.

In english you have the word rim upswing for this movement.
The forces that appear on the pole are enormous.

[Calloway]

Hey Sam, Keep in mind you can link two pendulums together with a wire 180 degrees apart from each other. This will double your torque to the wheel for 90 degrees of rotation. They will move together as one. You will have to have a slight bow in the wire to clear the axle on top. I would love to know how you are kicking them out with your spring configuration. Of course working in pairs one kicks out and the other one kicks in. Keep going Sam as you may figure it out. I'm here to test on mine if you come up with a method. Good luck!

Cheers

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi Georg,

Please forgive me; you have a way of losing me. Sounds like you hit the wheel briefly with some thing and the pendulum swings upward, but then what-----------------------------Sam