Thx Machine II

[Robinhood46]

Salut thx4,
"Then to finally have a runner as you say, is to lift the club as cheaply as possible or even free. If we achieve this mechanical simplicity, there is no more question to ask".

I'm pretty convinced the only way to achieve this, is to adapt MT13 into a "gravity wheel with a fundamental difference".
In my thread, addressing this, there are a few simulations/animations which show methods of achieving considerable movement of the smaller weights (buyers) at very little cost (energetic).
The exact interactions between the smaller weights and the heavier weights, i haven't yet worked out.
I think it is likely that the "crossbar", which only just works when alone and becomes more effective with others added, steps around the wheel. The smaller weights are connected to the crossbar, which gives the advantage of reducing the cost of any movement.
Are the heavy weights also connected to the crossbar? I think not.
Do the heavy weights progress around the wheel with the crossbar? I haven't made my mind up but i think so.
Are all the heavy weights present and fixed (by a pivot) to the wheel, irrespective of the number of crossbars? I don't think so. This would imply the smaller weights on the crossbar(s) would only interact with a specific pair, which would evolve, with every turn of the wheel. The other alternative is that the heavy weights are progressing with the crossbar and additional pair(s) would be added with the additional crossbar(s). Which i think more likely.
My initial thoughts were that the moving crossbar, was the smaller weights, and this didn't get me any nearer to the solution. I am now simulating smaller weights on the crossbar and it is looking promising.
The problem is, as mentioned above, how to get them to interact with the heavy weights, which may or may not be attached to the wheel.
The end result would be either MT13, with the correct number of crossbars to cause the movement of each weight, in turn. Or, one weight short of MT13 but with a very similar path of the weights with each weight progressing forward.

[thx4]

@Robinhood46,
I'm not sure I understood anything, well not everything, if you could put me a link to your thread or a simulation video it would be clearer. thanks.

Still looking for a lever I had the following idea, nothing to lift, but rather to contain (Robinhood46, it would be perfect in simulation and see what blocks the necessary % of modification). a vague sketch on my board but that should be understandable.
You have to imagine a weight made of 2 identical weights with a bearing in the middle of the axis... If we can eventually combine the weights with a bearing as well, the friction should be less.
2 external ramps, one at 6 o'clock giving the impulse to start the tilt and another one in front of 6 o'clock as a holding tunnel. Arrived at about 11am, turning the weights over and continuing the movement... LOL
I accept that anything I write here now can be held against me. :)




I put 12 weights but you can put less or more...
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[thx4]

The more I see this sketch the more I think I'll make the prototype...
Another small modification, put the left weights at the almost vertical position, the maintenance in this position should be beneficial to us.
At first sight 3 hours of modeling but a good 70 hours of printing...
For the patents don't bother, it's authorized, you have my blessing... hurry up before it's public, even in Germany. LOL.
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[Robinhood46]

This is a link to the thread where i share my thoughts. https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8344

I have shared the links to many videos, which are either animations or simulations. The first few links may not work, because i wasn't smart enough to post YouTube videos at the time.
You should be able to understand what i meant, in my last comment, about using the swinging weights of the bar (crossbar) as the smaller weights and not using the crossbar to carry the smaller weights.
There is a video which is similar to your sketch, but it is from a while back, when they were mainly animations not simulations.

[thx4]

https://youtu.be/LFrVye8MZG8

I made several adjustments and I present you the last one...
I don't see why it should be more complicated, a large amplitude on the lower arm with pulleys in preparation.
The lower arm is used as a lever, depending on the stroke setting you get results that I think are promising.

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[thx4]

https://youtu.be/yqgTke6kNe8

Recreational video, but the behavior is interesting...

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[thx4]

https://youtu.be/f5RGGcqVmmU

When I will have added the wheel of imbalance we should not be very far.
Imbalance wheel: it's the Apologia wheel made of 3 petanque balls (705 gr x3), with a very small displacement 1cm maxi.
32 hours of printing ...............ZZZZzzzzZZZzzzzz
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Any attempt to patent this is futile and hopeless. :)

[thx4]

Apologia petanque version. :)

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[thx4]

I disassembled everything the inertia discs are misleading in this kind of experiment.
I put the whole thing on a simple balance that stops of course it should recover the torque of the balls that go down, eternal problem.
The only thing that makes me laugh is the noise, I'm not very far from the original, according to my readings. :)

https://youtu.be/rqLFBpAazmA
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[thx4]

https://youtu.be/8akaHx9La9A

https://youtu.be/n4lUAy5touU

I wanted to thank Robinhood46, who helps me almost daily on the subject, long hours on the phone, we progress much faster. I must admit that without him these videos would have remained private.... lol


This is a real discovery for me, how to put more weight on top than on the bottom...
Then you have to use this advantage, not easy but not impossible, that's why I think we have never been so close.

How it works in the second video:
starting from the bottom, the last shot.

An inertia disc "A" fixed on the axis.
A second disc "B" with a rod perpendicular to the disc, also attached to the main axle.
A second wheel "C" on a bearing independent of the other two, driven by the rod and thus driving the inertia disc by jerking due to the difference in speed at the time of the descent of the wheel C.
All suggestions are welcome, we're not far away.
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[thx4]

Between those who seek and those who have already found, and being very optimistic I think we have at least another 300 years.
What I found at Bessler's is his legacy, thanks to him, understands who can.
The rest will now be on YouTube or not. :)
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[thx4]

I give you the recipe of my assembly to make you wait, I believe in it very much, I have practically no doubt since two days where I still experimented some ingredients. :)
I think I took the essential of the ingredients of B. I am close to plagiarism.

some string : yes
gears: yes
springs: yes
two moving weights: yes
magnets: no
ball bearings: yes
Some threaded rods: yes
some pulleys: yes
some nuts: yes
and that's all,
preparation time: 1 week maximum.
If you think something is missing, please contact the cook.
Now I'm going to the kitchen. :)

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[johannesbender]

Whats more important to plagiarism is principle and not parts :)

[thx4]

Whatever the recipe, if it works it will be the Bessler's recipe, because before him nothing and after him we wait... :)

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[thx4]

Finally I fired the boss who was too temperamental. :)
So see you later, if I have other ideas.

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