Darrell Vandusen Poll

[winkle]

well like you i'm wondering why you defend suckers.........if you tell them it's not their fault they may do it again.............the best defence aganst being suckered is haveing been suckered once allready.....hopefuly for not a lot.....been through it more than once my self....life is just full of crap lessons....i have been down the pattent path once...aint sure if i got scammed or not but it was a damed expensive lesson

[ovyyus]

i would be guessing about you.....fairly safe guess though....................i will tell you this though....after you find the answer to the first way your mind turns quickly to just how many different ways are there to make these things

Man, I just can't keep up with all the edits you make after you post. You added the above after I made my last response.

Winkle, you've been trolling the forum since you joined, claiming that you've found Bessler's secret. Let me make a "safe guess" about you based on my own experience with trolls... you have nothing, you offer nothing, and you'll achieve nothing, then you'll fade away to nothing.

Actually, I cheated. I don't need to guess. Your posts to date speak for themselves.

I don't defend suckers, I mark scammers. You're marked.

[Jonathan]

If there were no suckers, scammers would scam each other.

[winkle]

i would be guessing about you.....fairly safe guess though....................i will tell you this though....after you find the answer to the first way your mind turns quickly to just how many different ways are there to make these things

Man, I just can't keep up with all the edits you make after you post. You added the above after I made my last response.

Winkle, you've been trolling the forum since you joined, claiming that you've found Bessler's secret. Let me make a "safe guess" about you based on my own experience with trolls... you have nothing, you offer nothing, and you'll achieve nothing, then you'll fade away to nothing.

Actually, I cheated. I don't need to guess. Your posts to date speak for themselves.

I don't defend suckers, I mark scammers. You're marked.

. . well i guess you got me ovyyus....i have trolled two people that visit this board for some advise....i suppose i had better refund the time it took them to answer a few questions.....if i have ask eny one for other than i have stated i ask them to please make it public on this board in capital letters.......i have a patent at this present time the number is 5379479.....in getting this tool made and patented the cost was about twenty grand and i did no trolling and had no investers......................well wait till i get through before you respond

[winkle]

If there were no suckers, scammers would scam each other.

. well that would turn half the scammers into suckers so i guess suckers would still be the problem.............i really don't mean to be unkind to enyone but the truth is people sucker them selfs.......also i have a lot of respect for enyone that has gotten suckered with not much chance of recovery and will expose it to protect others.....they got kind heart

[ken_behrendt]

True scammers and con artists depend upon their victims' hope, trust, ignorance, fear, and, yes, greed in order to perpetrate their crimes. Often a victim will feel so stupid or complicit in the crime that he will not even report the crime to the police. Surprisingly, a big percentage of scams go unreported because the scam is actually perpetrated by a member of one's own family!

Many scammers may actually be psychopathic. That is, something went wrong during their fetal development that caused the parts of their brains that produce fear or anxiety at being unfair to or hurting another person to be underdeveloped. Thus, they really feel no concern for the feelings of their victims or for the possible consequences of their scams. Others get a sort of "rush" or "high" at successfully scamming a victim. In this case, they are actually addicted to the pleasant sensations that follow the dopamine released in their brains during a scam.

Of course, even a "normal" person can become a scammer. In these cases, the perpetrator may feel that his background or misfortunes in life somehow "entitle" him to steal what belongs to others. He may feel that he is merely "getting even" for a world which did not provide him with all that he feels he deserves or has a right to. I read a book on con artists once, and one of them, after being arrested, stated that if he was able to scam a person, then that person deserved to be scammed for being so stupid in the first place! This scammer saw his actions as normal part of a Darwinian universe wherein the strong (i.e., scammers) survive at the expense of the weak (i.e., his victims). He saw absolutely nothing wrong with his actions!

Incarceration has helped many scammers "clean up their act" and they went on to be of assistance in catching other scammers in the act. Some, unfortunately, are incorrigible and the only projection the public has is to learn about their methods and try to be on guard against them.

The number one rule to follow is this: Whenever anybody (for example, a "friend" of a friend, an "instant" acquaintance you just met, or, even, a family member) requests that you give them personal financial information, a "loan", a "good faith" deposit, or any amount of money, then a red warning light should go off in the back of your mind. In practically all successful scams, whenever money changed hands, there really was no exchange of value that took place. That is, the victim will receive a promise, a piece of paper, a worthless item, etc. Also, the conditions under with the "exchange" takes place will not be relaxed ones, but, rather involve time or location pressures that make it difficult for the victim to properly appraise the value of what was received for their money.


When it comes to the OU/PM field, many investors have sunk large amounts of money into the development of miracle inventions that promised to pay them back thousands of dollars on every dollar invested. Often the investors were not technologically competent enough to properly access the claims being made for the invention.

Sadly, many inventors, themselves, fall into this category and have been victimized by individuals who promised to patent and promote their inventions...once various "fees" were paid up front. Most of the inventors who have lost money in these ventures did not have a working device at the time they invested in the process and, eventually, lost much money. That's why I would caution any inventor, no matter what his background or level of experience my be, to make absolutely sure that they have a working device before they seek the assistance of anybody in its patenting, promotion, marketing, etc.


ken

[ovyyus]

All too true Ken, but sometimes it's not just about money. Sometimes it's also about someone wasting your time through deception and lies in order to benefit only themselves - Claudio's scam comes to mind.

Unlike money, time can't be replaced.

[winkle]

ovyyus if you took a poll of all notable sicentest most would say eny time on this site is a waste......i don't agree....but then i have a sixth grade education i'm not supposed to agree.....part of education is a wonderful thing the other part stinks....the stinky part is being taught all the things you can't do.....one person belives he can't do it so he assumes no one else can and spends a lot of time telling others don't waste their time.....the truth is to this point in time most or all of the time spent here can be said to be wasted for lack of proof.....a thousand years of seeking ppm and three hundred years of seeking Mr.Besslers answer have led to nothihg in the way of proof......many have said they found the answer some the brightest people that visit here.....if they do know there is no proof ya or na.......if one day they bring the proof into the open all the effort of everyone will not be wasted......other than that happening every hour spent here can be said to be a waste......as to Claudio's wheel i don't belive it will work as is but i do belive it has possibilities.....you have spent a lot of time here what has been you'r reward.....no one has pledged their life to this quest it's just a hobby lighten up

[ovyyus]

Winkle, you don't get it. How a person spends their own time is their own business, regardless of mainstream opinion. What you fail to understand is that stealing is wrong. Worse, you blame the victim.

When a person lies and deceives in order to steal from others they become an unproductive burden that must be carried at the expense of the host - just like a parasitic infestation. Combantrum is one answer - a blow torch up the arse is another!

My reward is to help find a solution - I'd be more than happy with that! If you think it's a waste of time here why do you hang around, why don't you get back to your glue spreading, why are you here?

[winkle]

well being being greedy stupid is wrong too....if someone decides to be greedy stupid how is that eny bodys fault but the one that done it......they can't scam you if you don't let them.....you must have led a verry sheltered life where everyone always looked out for you.....i'm just guessing but most people here should be old enough to say no to a scammer .....the only reason enyone gets scammed is because they won't something the scammer seems to have.....in other words they are trying to take advantage of the scammer then it backfires on them....mabe you don't understand it that's the only way a scam can work.....other than that people will just say no

[ovyyus]

Thick as a brick.

[winkle]

don't be so hard on you'r self

[ovyyus]

Point proven.

[winkle]

scammer...i have this wonderful thing worth millions but i do not have money to develop it .......sucker....i got money i got money how much do you need ........ovyyus what part of that don't you understand .......all i can say is don't smear vaseline on you're butt and bend over if you don't won't to get scammed........ .enyway you have wasted far to much of my valued time with foolishness

[ovyyus]

There shall in that time be rumors of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia-work base, that has an attachment. At that time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight O'clock. Monty Python

Duh!