Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[Fletcher]

Sam .. get someone to help you take a photo of your drawing or design, whatever. And upload that photo to you phone or computer. Then you can do like the rest of us and add that saved photo as an attachment when you make a post. Attachments are at the bottom of the post before you submit. It's quite easy to follow to add to a post. If you get that far and get stuck ask for help and someone will help you thru. A post can be edited for up to 3 hours after you have made it. If too late make another post.

The problem here is that people can not read your mind. And words only go so far. Especially when dealing with the 'tricky' bits. And that applies to our answers back to you also, unless we are all referencing the same things.

**In my recent thread I haven't included many attachments from MT etc that I might be talking about. That is a conscious decision because the thread is in the General Discussion Forum, and I have to assume most people will be very familiar with the MT's mentioned etc, or can make the effort to look them up, or can download JC's digital copies and research them for themselves. If they don't want to do that then that is their choice.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Yes, you're right. Thanks Fletcher, thanks for every thing------------------Sam

[agor95]

For what ever the reason, it has become painfully clear, that no one has a clue what I'm doing. Not the foggiest notion. I've tried everything, seams like there just isn't anyway to explain it, explain how it works -----------------------------------------Sam

Communication is one of the barriers within this forum.
Some members/readers have a feeling of an idea and they are unable to explain it to themselves let alone others.

Then how do you write the idea down. How do you create formula and present them. How do you present images and the animation let alone a physic simulations.

There is the need to build skills to communicate.

All the Best

[Sam Peppiatt]

You're right agor95; it seams my French isn't that good. Anyway; my Brother may have found a way to flip the pesky pendulums perpetually. I'll convert them to IRON an see what happens----------------------------------Sam



I claim to be half assed right half the time.

[Sam Peppiatt]

FWEIW,
For a pendulum to drive a wheel it has to swing up and out on the down side. Every one always says, yea right, but where is that energy going to come from? I recently realized that some how, the pendulums, HAVE to work in pairs. It looks like the swinging of one pend. has enough energy to lift / flip the other one. IOW, the swinging of one, will flip the other one up; then it locks to the wheel, and drives it down----------Sam


I claim to be half assed right half the time.

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Sam,
the pendulums must be moved synchronized,
Bessler said two and two.
One is going towards the center, the other to the rim.
In your construction you have no sidewards component.

Here an example how to synchronize the swinging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNygez_Qn8E

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi Georg!
Good to here from you. Forget what Bessler said! Let me back way up. There are only two things you have to do to get a gravity wheel to work. 1. Drive one side of the wheel down with a heavy weight. 2.Then some how get that weight back up to the top.

Like it or not pendulums do both. All I'm trying to do is find a good way to shift / swing them out on the down side. It seams to me that one pend. swinging, (with side ways motion), can shift the other one out and up, which then locks to the wheel and drives it down. However, I'm sure you disagree with me, as every one else does, which is fine.

Georg, you can't follow what the SOB said. All he talks about is what has to happen, (which is an f'en no brainer), and never anything about how to do it-----------------------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

I might have hit the bulls eye.

The 3rd element; how to flip the pendulums up, after they return to the top of the wheel; which has been a huge stumbling block-------------------
Looks like MT-13 would work. Just by moving the pivot point of the big pendulum, away from the center of the wheel a few inches. IOW, it's pivot point would be offset from the axel. As the wheel turns the roller would move up and down to do the filliping. But have to try it and see-------Sam

[thx4]

Hi Sam, I've been working a bit on MT13, no need to give you a summary, but even if you lift the weight for free at 12pm, it won't provide enough energy for the rest, it's a trap thanks B.
I still have to thank B, without the M13, I would never have understood anything about gravitational mechanics. I think that really B found something simple but quite difficult to implement so not found for the common.
There is an old adage that says "humans always go for the easiest", it is practical, but in this case it is a brake.
I'm making progress with my friend robinwood46, but I've had some technical problems lately. Next week you'll see the idea and its result. We started with this idea (basically), the weight to be lifted is contained in the arm, then we need a motor, I think we have a motor (lol), but will it have enough juice for the whole, we will know soon.
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https://youtu.be/OdmpYBSMWzM

[johannesbender]

Hi Sam, I've been working a bit on MT13, no need to give you a summary, but even if you lift the weight for free at 12pm, it won't provide enough energy for the rest, it's a trap thanks B.
I still have to thank B, without the M13, I would never have understood anything about gravitational mechanics. I think that really B found something simple but quite difficult to implement so not found for the common.
There is an old adage that says "humans always go for the easiest", it is practical, but in this case it is a brake.
I'm making progress with my friend robinwood46, but I've had some technical problems lately. Next week you'll see the idea and its result. We started with this idea (basically), the weight to be lifted is contained in the arm, then we need a motor, I think we have a motor (lol), but will it have enough juice for the whole, we will know soon.
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https://youtu.be/OdmpYBSMWzM

concerning your link ...

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8777

btw i have already flipped the action of mine but , anyway i don't have much time lately ,and there is just more problems that might or might not resolve in the future.

[thx4]

Hi, johannesbender
Difficult to exchange without a picture, our problem for now is not to go up, that I think the engine will do, our problem is to go down lol. But with Robin, we will only have to communicate for a few more hours, the fact that we have shared our ideas has really made the "Schmilblick" move forward.
Next week everything will be in unrestricted royalty free video images.

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[johannesbender]

Good luck THX & RH, i have been following your attempts ,you do have an impressive amount of builds done , experience is underestimated bonus .
Fixed directional force which is never adaptive to the direction of gravity and orientation of a design , is a big eye opening problem , pulls become pushes and vice versa , left becomes right and vice versa , everything inverts on rotation .

btw , there are better options ,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNI-U5IiLeI ,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7faKFP01hk ,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUw34IeZnIM

[thx4]

Thank you, good luck to you too...
We have the same readings... :)

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[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi thx4,
Yes, Bessler set us up good. No way to know for sure-------------- You're doing better than me, I run into trouble with both, going up and down! Are you a machinist? If not you must know some that is. I see robinhood's46 video. It's beautiful but; I'm not sure what to make of it-----------------Sam

[Tarsier79]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUw34IeZnIM

Brilliant engineering.

This will still give you the same problem as this: