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Sorry, I didn't understand this drawing.
What relationship with my engine?
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B is a roberval balance mechanism , in which torque remains equal on the top and bottom bars , because the weights of equal masses position's (height and distance) when connected to the side bars do not affect distance (torque), on the top and bottom bars .

With a roverbal balance the distance of the weights on the left or right sides produce no motion (When the weight left and right is equal).
With a roverbal balance the height of the weights on the left or right sides produce no motion (When the weight left and right is equal).
With a roverbal balance the only thing that will produce a difference on the two sides , are when there is a weight difference (irrespective of the distance).

A is a simplified general view of belt and pulley "avalanche / paternoster" drive , however A is in function similar to a roberval balance (B) , as indicated by C.

C shows how 2 pulleys and belt/chain system , basically is the same parallel linkage system of a roberval balance , which is to say , in general A and B needs a weight difference to have motion , there is a difference though with rigidity between the belt and bars of a roberval linkage though.

just a comment in general for those who work on these type of belt drives.

@Mikhail , if you need the prove the validity of the theory for motion by mass difference of the liquids on either sides , in a simpler build form, simply place a pump assembly on both sides of a roberval balance , and remember that they don't stay at the same heights though.
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You don't understand or pretend you don't understand. It's not about weight, it's about volume. All floats weigh the same, moreover, this is required by the system for normal operation. It is not the weight that changes, but the volume, and since the force of Archimedes is proportional to the volume, then under water, I emphasize - under water - the floats will have a different weight on each side. And since they have different weights, or rather the difference in the buoyancy forces that act on them, we will develop an imbalance of forces or weight, that is, a disequilibrium that is constantly maintained and due to which the engine functions. Constantly, forever, because gravity is eternal. With timely replacement of worn parts, the engine will run forever. To do this, he needs gravity and a liquid, for example, water.
How and due to what the change in the volume of floats / elements is carried out and the arithmetic calculation is in the file at this link : https://www.casimages.com/f/yeKdt5KBdUb
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1liter of volume ,weights more than 0.5 liters of volume .
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1 liter of volume in water weighs 1 kg
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Does it not function by shifting more mass in volume to one side ? You say it doesnt , but i see mass shifting in the diagrams , liqued has mass so it has weight , what am i missing then ?

If it function is pump/move/shift more volume of a liqued to one side , like i said an easy build to prove the principle of mass weight difference , is to place one on both sides of a roberval balance which only measures weight difference , if one side drops and the other lifts , then it proves a weight difference accordingly to the mass in volume moved , thats helpfull advice to help you prove a point ,but heck i dont really care if you want to try and prove it .

The next step however is to prove continued motion , this however is a different topic.
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What is liquefied gas? What is it about here? In floats, air at atmospheric pressure, all floats are connected in series with a flexible hose and air flows freely from the float, which reduces the volume to the float, which increases.
I am not going to prove anything, everything is proved by arithmetic calculations, it is enough to understand and verify them, or recalculate in your own way if my calculations do not fit. Arithmetic is an exact science.
I mean the engine at the link: https://www.casimages.com/f/yeKdt5KBdUb
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Mikhail it has no image , and the download says its unsafe.
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It's not possible. It's safe, it's impossible to host an unsafe file.
You can check it here: https://www.virustotal.com/old-browsers/

The file is opened by the free program LibreOffice 7.2 : https://fr.libreoffice.org/download/tel ... .3&lang=fr
And : https://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/
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Is the principle based on the variation of pressure with depth in a fluid , https://courses.lumenlearning.com/physi ... n-a-fluid/ ?

So is left and right suppose to change the air content in volume ?

If so , where is the difference that creates motion ? , left and immediate right linked mechanisms should be at more or less equal depth , so there cannot be a marginal difference for left and right ,is left and right connected , which are connected to which ? , is the difference top and bottom ?
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Yes, the principle is related to fluid pressure at depth and arithmetic calculations show how to resist pressure at a depth of 5 m, which acts on the piston.
The engine is under water, inside the left and right floats the pressure is the same, since they are connected in series with a flexible hose - I already explained this above.
The principle is based on the difference in buoyant forces - the Archimedes force - on the left and right sides. Different volume = different Archimedes forces which are proportional to the volume.
The floats are attached to chains that go around the upper and lower wheels. Float capsizing occurs when the floats rotate around the wheels.
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So the patent referred to , on https://www.lockhaven.edu/~dsimanek/museum/patents.htm
is the one you are mentioning.
2001. Smeretchanski Mikhail. French patent #2830575. Perpetual motor with magnetic control elements. A device for the production of mechanical energy..., using elements with variable volume and the force of Archimedes for its operation. A very old idea that appeared in the Journal of learned men for 1685, and was refuted by Bernoulli. It has been patented many times, for example, see British patent 1330 (1857) below, and David Diamond's 1976 patent (above).
which also links to:
1857 [No. 1330] Peter Armand le Comte de Fontainemoreau of London, Agent. Hydraulic motor. The "bucket brigade" arrangement of buckets or bellows on a belt over two pulleys, with everything below the top pulley immersed in a tank of water. Drawing from Dircks (1861) p. 478. (This idea was patented many times.) The patent describes it more clearly than the picture.
The apparatus is composed of a number of hollow elastic buckets or bellows, partly immersed in water, made to pass over two pulleys. Each bellows is furnished with leaden weights at the bottom, which forces the air contained in the bellows on one side, to pass by means of connecting tubes into those buckets or bellows that are on the opposite side. The bellows are fitted to slotted links, and connected together so as to form an endless chain, which passes over the two pulleys.
1976. David Diamond. 3,934,964. Gravity-Actuated Fluid Displacement Power Generator.
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If you came here to post these stupid links and texts, you shouldn't have come. I know all this, I know how to use the Internet. If you want to look smart, then prove that my engine will not work, not with stupid references, but with arithmetic calculations. Your links and texts, like your presence here, are useless, I wasted my time communicating with you.
Come on, keep paying for energy - electricity, gas, gasoline and everything else, and just cling to stupid links.
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Yes, the principle is related to fluid pressure at depth and arithmetic calculations show how to resist pressure at a depth of 5 m, which acts on the piston.
The engine is under water, inside the left and right floats the pressure is the same, since they are connected in series with a flexible hose - I already explained this above.
The principle is based on the difference in buoyant forces - the Archimedes force - on the left and right sides. Different volume = different Archimedes forces which are proportional to the volume.
The floats are attached to chains that go around the upper and lower wheels. Float capsizing occurs when the floats rotate around the wheels.
The force it takes to expand the chamber at depth and the force it takes to collapse the chamber at shallow are different and in opposite directions. connecting the internals with a tube to equalise air pressure will not solve this.
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