The origin of the GRAVITATION.

[johannesbender]

Actually i just searched the patent number to see if i can find a version with proper translation , instead of trying to figure out if google translates correct , but thats the first page i landed on from the first link on the list .

Unlike you who say you know all this, i was not aware of the history of the patent and its dismissive arguments , and perhaps others are also unaware so , seeing that i have the right to my oppinion here as do you , i see no wrong in linking it here .

But like i said , good luck ,by now i dont really agree with you and thats ok.

[Mikhail]

It is not with me that one must agree, or not, but with the ariyhvetic calculations.

[johannesbender]

Well , firstly , the air between the pistons and the tube connecting the two vessels bottom and top locations , will be forced upwards by the pressure gradient , since the air being contained between the pistons also forms a vessel subject to the same principle of operation , now my question is , where is the force that is sufficient to overcome this opposing force of the air to move the pistons against this upwards force , down to the bottom vessel where the pressure also increases and therefore increases the opposing upwards force ?

Since gravity is suppose to work by law of levers , to push the pistons , in the up and lower locations of the wheels , those levers will have extremely little torque due the angles facing upwards , so second question is , where is the torque force sufficient to move those levers against the opposing force mentioned in my first question.

As you know , the levers will have a very small torque force when the angle is upwards , they will only have full torque force when facing horizontal orientation.

[Mikhail]

Either you don't know how to read and understand what you read, or you didn't go to school. I'm tired of repeating the same thing. Are you here just to take my time to repeat what I've already written twice?
Inside the floats there is air under atmospheric pressure, the floats are connected by a flexible hose and the air circulates freely between them. Look on the internet for the principle of leverage, I'm not going to teach you things you could have learned in school. I don't want to waste my time.
Sorry.

[WaltzCee]

any claim of a discovery of PM is going to fail. That's the history of the data.

In the universe of all PM claims they all fall in the subset of failed and not a single claim has made it into the data set of a valid claim.

• not one.

Do the math. Draw that venn diagram. You should be able to see that with your eyes wide open yet if you must, close them. No paper nor pencils allowed for this exercise.

Inspite of this data and against all odds we treat most claims with a healthy skepticism mingled with an over dose of hope.

What I believe is an announcement is perishable. Thanks to all the false claims that preceded it, the real deal is going to be treated like 3 day old sushi.

Who wants it? Who needs it?

[WaltzCee]

It is not with me that one must agree, or not, but with the ariyhvetic calculations.

Do you have any plans getting your ariyhvetic calculations to agree with reality and actually build a working model?

or is all we're going to get is 3 day old sushi leftovers? It's only been since

• Post by Mikhail » Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:11 am

you rolled out these leftovers.

Where's the monkey wrench 🔧 holding up these werks?

[Mikhail]

I will not build anything, I have neither the means, nor the opportunity, nor the desire, nor the need for this, and I am too old for this. I have the energy I need, let those who need energy build the engines, for this I left them in free use.

[johannesbender]

Either you don't know how to read and understand what you read, or you didn't go to school. I'm tired of repeating the same thing. Are you here just to take my time to repeat what I've already written twice?
Inside the floats there is air under atmospheric pressure,

the floats are connected by a flexible hose

and the air circulates freely between them. Look on the internet for the principle of leverage, I'm not going to teach you things you could have learned in school. I don't want to waste my time.
Sorry.

i have been through that page you linked and did searches on it , i still cannot find the drawing or the explanation of what connects to what through these hoses that are not to be found on the page you keep linking to , and what are weights and what are floats on the images , there is no singular drawing that indicates what exactly is considered as filled with air and what exactly is considered as weight , instead there are like 5 or 6 variations of which it seems impossible to guess which is the exact one to be looked at , i have to guess the large vessel is filled with air and the small rectangles are weights but then there are also multiple variations on this page , which one is suppose to be the working one .

anyway you seem to have a really bad discussion etiquette so perhaps you should stop advertising claims.

[Mikhail]

How did you consider if you did not find anything. In addition to this link, there are two more links in the signature.
The discussion begins just two pages before this one.
There are all the links in the post and in the signature.

Hello

I haven't been here in a long time.

Perpetual engines are here: https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchR ... acenet.com

Please look at the links in the signature and сheck the calculations, and write your conclusions.

The discussion begins just two pages before this one.
There are all the links in the post and in the signature.
On the original page, find an understandable language and click on "Document original" - we will get to the pages of the original document with text and pictures: https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publica ... cale=fr_EP#
We find the desired page, look at the pictures or copy the text and translate it in Google translate, for example.
The original is here: https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchR ... acenet.com
This is not advertising, I do not sell anything and I do not need advertising.
It just annoys me that you pull stupid links here before you figure it out and understand a hundred things. I think it would annoy you too.

[johannesbender]

How did you consider if you did not find anything. In addition to this link, there are two more links in the signature.
The discussion begins just two pages before this one.
There are all the links in the post and in the signature.

yeah that's the links i followed , the one's you advertised.

Hello

I haven't been here in a long time.

Perpetual engines are here: https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchR ... acenet.com

Please look at the links in the signature and сheck the calculations, and write your conclusions.

Dictionary
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describe or draw attention to (a product, service, or event) in a public medium in order to promote sales or

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.
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make (a quality or fact) known.

The discussion begins just two pages before this one.
There are all the links in the post and in the signature.
On the original page, find an understandable language and click on "Document original" - we will get to the pages of the original document with text and pictures: https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publica ... cale=fr_EP#
We find the desired page, look at the pictures or copy the text and translate it in Google translate, for example.
The original is here: https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchR ... acenet.com
This is not advertising, I do not sell anything and I do not need advertising.
It just annoys me that you pull stupid links here before you figure it out and understand a hundred things. I think it would annoy you too.

you dont want to answer questions or discuss opinions ,instead you revert to insults , so we have to go look somewhere else , and i think my mind is made up already , someone already went through the painful process of analyzing your vague patent and posted to the museum of unworkable devices , saves us from "look at the links in the signature and сheck the calculations, and write your conclusions" .

I still cannot find these invisible tubes of the patent,and well as i said good luck to you.

[Mikhail]

I can't discuss and explain properly because I don't speak English, I use online translators and they don't always translate correctly. I translate several times back and forth and correct the text to obtain something at least a little intelligible.
Again - I'm not selling anything, I'm not forcing anyone to care and understand, I'm giving it away for free, if anyone wants to use it, use it.

[johannesbender]

I can't discuss and explain properly because I don't speak English, I use online translators and they don't always translate correctly. I translate several times back and forth and correct the text to obtain something at least a little intelligible.
Again - I'm not selling anything, I'm not forcing anyone to care and understand, I'm giving it away for free, if anyone wants to use it, use it.

well in that case lets wipe the slate clean , because i was going in to this giving it the benefit of the doubt to see if i can see what you see , but i dont even know if the translating done by google of your linked data is correct , and am more one for seeing physical proof .

[Mikhail]

I translated back and forth and came to the conclusion that you can understand if you want to understand. Everything is very simple in this engine, it is no more complicated than a bicycle. The main thing is to understand how the imbalance is achieved. And when there is a constant imbalance, then there is necessarily a rotation. And when there is rotation, there is production of energy. The main thing is to reduce the number of floats to a minimum, 3-4 floats in a straight line are enough. In this case, the depth to which the lower wheel must be submerged is reduced. In addition, with a decrease in depth, the pressure decreases, and with a decrease in water pressure, it is possible to increase the diameter of the pistons in the floats without increasing the weight of the concrete ingots. This engine is perfectly proportional in all respects to the weight of the masses of concrete. Motor wheels should rotate slowly to minimize friction losses underwater. The maximum torque is reached when the motor is stopped.

[WaltzCee]

Again - I'm not selling anything, I'm not forcing anyone to care and understand, I'm giving it away for free, if anyone wants to use it, use it.

That's nice of you.

My plan is to write a book/instruction manual for an actual working model and sell/distribute the idea and model in one package.

What do you think of that idea Mikhail? If it has a money-back guarantee would you buy it?

[Mikhail]

If you want to write a book you have to understand how it works.
What reimbursement are you talking about? I wouldn't buy, I don't need.
For a real and functional model, you have to go through a design office, calculate the shapes and the pressures on the surfaces in depth. This is a job for fluid engineers, for shipbuilding. They have the qualified personnel to that.