johannesbender wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:51 pm
if air was completely incompressible fluid , you still would not be able to increase the volume at 8.5 and decrease the volume at 3m , as shown , the opposite will happen:
Air does not matter because the floats are connected in series between them by a flexible hose and air flows freely between them. The hoses are not in the picture, but there are written about them in the text.
johannesbender wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:39 pm
if the gas springs were placed to attach inside the "float" vessels and to the piston , and the levers connected/pivot to the inside of the "float" vessel,
air would slightly compress to some amount , and then transmit force to the top piston which has the lower pressure , in my opinion:
It does not matter where the gas springs are placed, it is enough to choose the strength of the gas springs depending on the lever. In the original, they are drawn as it is written in the text.
johannesbender wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:39 pm
and if it were an incompressible gas/fluid it would transmit most/all force from the lower piston under higher pressure to the upper piston which has lower pressure, my opinion:
Maybe. Need to check.
johannesbender wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:39 pm
Maybe ? You have to check to know what's best.
I haven't tested it on a prototype. I left that pleasure to you or those who will make engines, sell and make money. I donate my inventions and who will use let him check.
Granted , at the exact depth levels you may have a probable force on the pistons ,with an incompressible fluid at lower density, but only if the outside fluid pressure is exactly the same (in absolute equilibrium) on both sides ,and the inside force does not oppose this force , and the vessels stay absolutely still like a stator.
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its my opinion that these type of designs will find equilibrium though , unless proven by a real build i would not look in to it further.
I had to read the text to the end. It says that you can add the weight of the masses above the calculated one. Even if we do not add, then in the process of moving the float on the left, rising, enters the zone of decreasing pressure and the float on the right, descending, enters the zone of increasing pressure. The torque is maximum when the engine is stopped. When you lower the engine into the water, it will start up and start working.
Ignore the bottom left label of the last image , they are both at 3m....
And remember all vessels"floats" were kept grounded (unmoveable) , as soon as the become moveable , the gas spring's and other forces will also act on them as well.
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johannesbender wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:45 pm
Ignore the bottom left label of the last image , they are both at 3m....
And remember all vessels"floats" were kept grounded (unmoveable) , as soon as the become moveable , the gas spring's and other forces will also act on them as well.
Not understood? You can do without gas springs, I used gas springs to halve the weight of the concrete masses in the floats.
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M. You could build a simple model with only two opposed float mechanisms on a wheel (as large as possible). This would enable you to an extent to feel the transition forces.
The longer the travel is to the top, the larger the forces will be.
It will if you don't think moving the piston against water pressure will cost directly against rotation.
we can calculate.
In electronics there are many claims of over-unity because of calculations based on ignorance. Many people do not see or understand the full picture. I suspect the same is happening here.
Tarsier79 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:55 am
In electronics there are many claims of over-unity because of calculations based on ignorance. Many people do not see or understand the full picture. I suspect the same is happening here.
I think that this is your case, you do not see the situation as a whole.
WaltzCee wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:53 am
One of the chapters is going to be entitled:
Approaches to the Design of Perpetual Motion Machines
When you get the book I'd read that chapter first.
You haven't written anything yet. It's like saying: - I'll give you the skin of a bear that sleeps somewhere in a lair in Alaska. -:)
You keep dragging all sorts of stupid links here. Why? What do you want to convince me?
I don't need to convince myself of anything, I have the arithmetic calculations of my engine and that's enough for me.
The links explain the issue with your design. The basic premise is not new or original. Your calculations are incomplete. The information is in front of you.
