The origin of the GRAVITATION.

[agor95]

Hi Mikhail

I hope you do not mind.

To get the thread back on topic I needed too update your original idea.

I have an idea that concerns gravity.

It is my opinion that gravitation is the result of mater being recycling in the Universe.

To explain:

1. The stars emit particles and electromagnetic radiation like light (and others parts of the spectrum).

2. The reddening of light, which warm us, from the galaxies as they move away. This is explained by the reduction in the frequency of their photons over distance (and not by the effect Doppler).

3. The reduction effect is caused by dissipation and because of friction that causes a reduction in speed over distance.

4. The presence in space of cosmological radiation, with low speeds, is a consequence of their dissipation in space. Again because of friction that causes a reduction in speed with their distance.
Therefore photons of light, thus slowed down, until their speeds become relatively low.

This constitutes dark energy (or the missing mass) of the Universe.

An alternative description

The vacuum of space is not empty, but is filled with particles and energy.
This substance resembles that of a ideal gas (or liquid), in which matter can move without friction.

Note. friction (friction is proportional to speed), but friction does not reach zero.

5. This substance is recycled (transformed) into matter within the interiors of stars (and perhaps - planets) and other massive bodies of the Universe. They are the large "consumers" of this substance. With the help of great pressures and temperatures within their interiors, they recycle (transform) this substance into matter.

This flow creates an uninterrupted current, at very high speed (?), from the substance that makes up space. This warms the centres of stoles and planets.

The speed of this substance, while going through matter, is slowed down. This braking (resistance) - creates the force of GRAVITATION.

6. The other "consumers" of this substance are the elementary particles.
I do not understand why yet. (It is a step into the elementary sub-atom world).

As I have put conjectures forward I would not want to say anything negative.
Always keep an open mind.

You did get me thinking with point 2.

We are told that space is not at absolute zero kelvin of (-273c) but -270c.
This is the result of the extreme high frequency photons being converted down into the infrared.

So in principle large mass in space emitting ultraviolet light.
This could be at a distance that arrives here in the infrared so we gain warmth.

Regards

[Mikhail]

Salvation,
I think the rays in space are delayed by the ether, which fills the space of the universe, and when the rays pass through the ether, they are delayed, i.e. they become red. Light is a wave of energy and behaves like all other waves. Throw a stone into a puddle and see how divergent waves not only lose amplitude, but also lengthen. So are the waves of light in space. But scientists explain this by the Doppler effect. It turns out that very distant galaxies are moving at a speed that exceeds the speed of light. It just doesn't make sense, and if it doesn't make sense then it isn't true.

[Senax]

Salvation,
I think the rays in space are delayed by the ether, which fills the space of the universe, and when the rays pass through the ether, they are delayed, i.e. they become red. Light is a wave of energy and behaves like all other waves. Throw a stone into a puddle and see how divergent waves not only lose amplitude, but also lengthen. So are the waves of light in space. But scientists explain this by the Doppler effect. It turns out that very distant galaxies are moving at a speed that exceeds the speed of light. It just doesn't make sense, and if it doesn't make sense then it isn't true.

You're not just a pretty face then. ;-)

And by the way, I love Ukrainians even more than I love Russians.
For one thing, a lot of them are my co-religionists.

[agor95]

Salvation,
I think the rays in space are delayed by the ether, which fills the space of the universe, and when the rays pass through the ether, they are delayed, i.e. they become red. Light is a wave of energy and behaves like all other waves. Throw a stone into a puddle and see how divergent waves not only lose amplitude, but also lengthen. So are the waves of light in space. But scientists explain this by the Doppler effect. It turns out that very distant galaxies are moving at a speed that exceeds the speed of light. It just doesn't make sense, and if it doesn't make sense then it isn't true.

You're not just a pretty face then. ;-)

And by the way, I love Ukrainians even more than I love Russians.
For one thing, a lot of them are my co-religionists.

Would you like to explain 'blue shift' seen with some local Galaxies?

https://astronomy.com/magazine/ask-astr ... d-galaxies

Note. if it doesn't make sense then it isn't true.

If you read this sentence then you can get this inferences.

1. Only direct use of a persons five senses (Hearing, Sight, Touch, Smell & Tasted). This has to happen without devices too aid the persons senses for it to be a personal truth. Everything else is false.

2. The four Extra Sensory Perceptions can be used. The sense of imagination, forethought (catching a ball), foreboding (the driver is front is not keeping in lane as your forethought expected), humour (break expectations of the other senses).

However some events do not make sense but are true?

Two equal length lines and for identical line arrow heads.

Place two arrow heads pointing in at either end of one line.
With the other two pointing out. With all connected to the middle of the arrow to the end of the lines.

This will be equal but your senses with tell you they are not?

This is non-senses

Hang a plum-bob up at noon, with the sun directly above, on the equator and another 2,000 km north/south from the first. We are told the first will have no shadow and the second well.

Either this observation is false because it makes no sense.

Or we trust people to repeat the test and use their imaginations to but forward a conjecture, create a hypothesis and then formulate a theory with a predictive conclusive inference at the end.

[Mikhail]

Would you like to explain 'blue shift' seen with some local Galaxies?

Galaxies move in space one relative to the other, and in galaxies close to us we can observe a blue shift. The universe is infinite in all directions and did not start with a big bang. Will she end up with a big bang?? We won't be here to watch it, just as we weren't there to see the big bang, we can only guess, or try to guess. What I wrote is an assumption, if you understand me correctly. In my opinion, the universe does not have an age of 13 or 14 billion years, but hundreds, or even thousands of billions.

https://astronomy.com/magazine/ask-astr ... d-galaxies
"For example, our own galaxy is known to be moving through the universe with a velocity of 1.3 million mph (600km/s)."

How is it known? Who measured? Relative to what is she moving at such a speed?

I think that this is just a number that does not mean anything, that is, it fell from the ceiling.

[WaltzCee]

Galaxies move in space one relative to the other, and in galaxies close to us we can observe a blue shift. The universe is infinite in all directions and did not start with a big bang. Will she end up with a big bang?? We won't be here to watch it, just as we weren't there to see the big bang, we can only guess, or try to guess. What I wrote is an assumption, if you understand me correctly. In my opinion, the universe does not have an age of 13 or 14 billion years, but hundreds, or even thousands of billions.

In light of a universe where causes have effects* an infinite ageless universe is unimaginable.
What could have caused such a universe? Who ever posited "can God make a rock bigger than He can pick up?" pondered the idea of an infinite and ageless universe.


* effects that might be opposite yet not necessarily, and equal and again, not necessarily.

[WaltzCee]

power from a hydro buoyant generator.

• given Bessler's wheel worked with one mass, although adding the mass of air and water complicates it, those additions shouldn't cause it to not work.

if so, why?

[Mikhail]

We don't have to worry about the universe, the universe will take care of itself.
I think that this discussion does not make sense, anyway, we will not change anything and will not affect anything. We are so small in the universe that nothing depends on us. But I think that our universe is cyclical and that there is an infinite number of universes that explode or burn out at the end of their cycles, turning into energy. From this energy, a new universe is formed and everything repeats. The length of the cycle of existence of the universe can be a number with 25-30 zeros. I don't know what these big numbers are called.

[agor95]

Would you like to explain 'blue shift' seen with some local Galaxies?

Galaxies move in space one relative to the other, and in galaxies close to us we can observe a blue shift.
...

Based on your original conjecture from 2005 the 'red shift' in frequency is from distance only.
That being caused by dissipation and friction stated in point 3.

However you have acknowledged that some Galaxies are 'blue shifted'.

How does dissipation and frication increase the frequency of photons for some and 'red shift' others?

Note. Ironic that the Andromeda Galaxy (blue shifted) is 2.5 million light-years away as measured by the dissipation of light from supernova events.

Your point 3 makes no sense therefore the existence in the Doppler Effect is required to address this 'blue shift' effect.

I have looked at this from 'dissipation and friction' being true.
I appreciate the dimming of light via dissipation makes sense.

The reduction in light frequency via some friction like activity is open for debate.

P.S. When Andromeda and the 'Milky Way' merge it's going to get warm for future life. But Galaxies warming us now?

Regards

[Mikhail]

The shift in the spectrum towards the blue can be explained very simply: - the galaxies move relative to each other and those which are relatively close and approach the Milky Way shift the spectrum towards the blue because they are not a sufficient distance for the waves to slow down and turn red.
When the Andromeda collides with the Milky Way, the Earth will not be, it will burn, will turn into a star.
I repeat: - throw a stone in a puddle and see how the waves behave. Also, you will always hit the center of the circle. :)

[Mikhail]

power from a hydro buoyant generator.

• given Bessler's wheel worked with one mass, although adding the mass of air and water complicates it, those additions shouldn't cause it to not work.

if so, why?

I do not know. I don't quite understand the question.

[WaltzCee]

I do not know. I don't quite understand the question.

Sure Mikhail.

My conjecture* is

• given Bessler's wheel worked with one sort of mass why shouldn't a wheel with 3 sorts of mass work? or maybe why does it?

*conjecture means highly uneducated guess. I just polished the turd up and dressed it in fancy language. Makes people think I'm smart when I use big words. Boy do I have some people fooled.

[Mikhail]

I still don't understand, or is it the translator's fault? I do not speak English.
I don't know how Bessler's wheel worked.

[WaltzCee]

I don't know how Bessler's wheel worked.

OK. Seems I'm making it clear as mud. I'll try a different tact.

• If it is a given:
  • Bessler's wheel worked &
    He used a mass of one substance (lead?)
    then a wheel using the mass of lead? & water
    and air should also work.

A side note: it isn't necessary to know the how of Bessler's wheel.

[Mikhail]

I do not know.