Moon Fakery: Q

[Techstuf]

Given the level of technology man has possessed for decades....I would not be surprised to learn that he inhabits/cohabits the large, mysterious Aitken Basin on the moon's perpetual far side.




Coincidence alone, surely does not account for the fact that the largest known crater in the Solar System, Aitken Basin, maintains it's constant visual seclusion by virtue of the moon's axial rotation.....which coincides EXACTLY with it's orbital period of the earth.....AND the earth's axial rotation.


Looks like nature's wheelwork keeps her cogs lubricated at all times.....



;^)


Peace,


TS

[ken_behrendt]

Techstuf wrote:

I would not be surprised to learn that he inhabits/cohabits the large, mysterious Aitken Basin on the moon's perpetual far side.

I was surprised to learn that the Soviets actually did have a program to land men on the moon and were hoping to do it before the USA. They had their equivalent of the Saturn V booster rocket and their own lunar lander (which is now sitting in a museum in Gorky, I think) which looked like our version on steroids. Apparently, the whole program was quietly "scrubbed" a few weeks before our successful landing in July of 1969 when one of their booster rockets blew up on the launch pad during a test! If it had not, then the Soviets might have beaten us to the moon!

Yes, Aitken Basin is a fascinating lunar feature and would be the first place I would send a manned moon mission to for exploration. If there is, indeed, an ongoing extraterrestrial presence on our moon, then that would surely be the most probable place for it to be located. I just hope that if we do decide to do something like that, that we can do it quietly and sneak up them before they abandon their bases there and remove all traces of their presence.

I think extraterrestrials are somewhat on the shy side. They know that if they were to openly reveal themselves to humans, before we were psychologically prepared for such an encounter, then it might cause havoc down here on Earth. Yet, on the other hand, I think that they do, ultimately, want to have some sort of formal contact with Earth. They, obviously, have a dilemma of cosmic proportions on their hands (assuming they are humanoid, of course)!

The moon's period of rotation does exactly match its period of revolution about the Earth. I used to think that this was proof positive of "intelligent design" at work. However, the more I studied astronomy, the more I realized that there is a simple explanation for this precise coincidence.

Apparently, whenever a large, massive body orbits another, and does not already have its own rotational energy, the body will behave exactly like our moon does. It will always show one of its faces to the focus of its orbit. This phenomenon is due to tidal gravitational forces acting on the orbiting body that apply more centrifugal force to the back side of the body than to its primary facing side. In other words, the orbiting body sort of becomes self aligning. I suspect that as we continue to explore the solar system and others, we will occasionally find other moons which behave the same way...


ken

[Techstuf]

This phenomenon is due to tidal gravitational forces acting on the orbiting body that apply more centrifugal force to the back side of the body than to its primary facing side.

I was unaware that establishment science even still recognized CF as an actual force......and I would posit that the 'tidal' forces you speak of have much more to do with internal liquid mass of the orbiting bodies, than surface liquid, also the fact that to an appreciable degree, both bodies orbit one another.


Interesting topic!



Peace,


TS

[ken_behrendt]

Techstuf...

No, the moon is not considered to have a fluid interior. That is, its molten core solidified a long time ago and that is one of the reasons that there is no observable volcanic activity on its surface. It is truly a dead body in space.

As I understand it, "tidal forces" are torques that arise on orbiting bodies that are due to the differential in the CF acting on their opposite sides. The effect is most pronounced when the object is long and slender. In such a case, the object will align its longitudinal axis so that it points directly toward whatever primary mass it is oribiting. The moon, because of its slight elasticity, apparently stretches out a bit along its diameter that points to the Earth's center. Thus, because it is not a perfect sphere, the moon also experiences these tidal forces that keep its near face constantly pointing toward the Earth.


ken

[rlortie]

Ken,

Your above explanation to techstuf, makes me ask. Why do you not attempt to use weights in your wheel designs shaped as you have explained above?

Ralph

[Techstuf]

Forgive me if I take those facts and considerations at face value.....I perceive that more is at work regarding the the self maintenance of planetoid sized bodies in their orbits.


Peace,


TS

[Jonathan]

Ken, that's not quite right, the tidal forces are due to variations in the strength of gravity with distance too. The Earth pulls on the near side of the Moon more forcefully than the far side, so this tends to work against the Moon's rotation.

[Techstuf]

Celestial mechanics are sometimes better understood by leaps of faith, than in logic.

[ken_behrendt]

Jonathan...

I think you are right about that gravitation differential acting on opposite sides of the the moon, but I still think the CF differential is the predominant force at work. There could be other factors, too. Perhaps the far side of the moon has more nickel/iron meteorites or asteroids embedded near its surface so that it is "backside heavy" and this further enhances the effects of any CF differential.


Ralph...

Well, my approach to gravity wheels is based strictly on overbalancing. Once one gets into designs that try to utilize CF differentials, then the math and complexities, at least for me, tend to become intractable.

I'm trying to keep things simple (but not too simple!) so that I will have a fair chance of finding Bessler's secret mechanism. I do not think he was really into using CF in his designs and I see no evidence of this in Maschinen Tractate. I think, as he stated in DT, that his designs strictly depended on the maintenance of a chronic state of imbalance.


ken

[Jonathan]

The centrifugal force on objects on the far side of the Moon is only .91% stronger than the same for on objects on the near side. The gravitational force from the Earth on objects on the near side of the Moon is 1.79% greater than the same for objects on the far side.

[ken_behrendt]

Jonathan...

Well, your computations do seem to show that the gravitational differential acting on our moon is greater than the centrifugal differential. But, do your calculations assume a uniform density to the body of the moon? Variations of density of the moon's interior with distance from the Earth's center can throw these calculations off...especially if the backside of the moon is more massive than the front side due to the presence of "mascons" under its surface from accumulated meteor / asteroid impacts over the eons since our orb first formed.



Anyway, I still find the whole concept of an extraterrestial presence in our solar system fascinating (and highly probable!).

I remember that during one of the Apollo moon landings an incident happened that showed me that I am not the only one with this idea in his mind.

There was a mission (might have been the second) where the two astronauts had traveled some distance from the LEM in their little electric moon buggy and stopped to collect some rock samples. There was a remotely controlled camera on the moon buggy that the mission control people on Earth could move around and point at different objects and then zoom in on those objects.

In one interesting incident, the camera was observing the two astronauts as they collected some surface material and then it began panning to one side. During the pan the camera moved past a scene that appeared to be showing a large tower in the distance with a spherical structure at its top.

After a few seconds of delay, the camera again returned to the mysterious object and locked on to it. Then the lenses were made to zoom in on it. The tower grew in size and the sphere on it got bigger!

One of the astronauts was summoned to the buggy and asked what that strange object in the distance was. He looked and said "What object". The ground controller said that it was huge and across the plain that they were exploring. The astronaut still could not see it and was instructed to get behind the buggy's camera and sight along the camera at the object.

The astronaut did and finally exclaimed "Oh that...it's the top of our gnomen". This was a tripodal gadget with a rod projecting vertically from it that was being used to judge distances and sizes in some of the photographs the astronauts were taking. It had been placed on the other side of a small rise in the surface so that only the top portion was visible to the camera.

The voice of the ground controller sudden expressed relief and he said "...for a second there, I thought we were seeing an artifact!". By this, he meant an extraterrestrial artifact.

So, yes, the people at NASA are well aware that it could happen on any space mission where we are seeing things that the extraterrestrials might not be expecting us to see.


ken

[Jonathan]

My calculations are comparing the forces experienced by identical objects on opposite sides of the Moon, so density variations don't affect the percentages, they affect how meaningful they are. I think the Moon is sufficiently spherically uniform for them to be meaningful.

[ken_behrendt]

Jonathan wrote:

I think the Moon is sufficiently spherically uniform for them to be meaningful.

Well, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I think that when the Apollo missions went to the moon they were having problems calculating what the orbit of the craft around the moon was. They eventually realized that there were large variations in the density of different portions of the moon that were throwing off all of the calculations.

Regardless of the reasons, the moon does always seem to present one side to the Earth which is kind of weird because it means that a solar day on the moon is 28 days or so in length. Anybody (human or otherwise) with a base up there would, if it was located on the surface, be cooked by the Sun's radiation for two weeks and then frozen in the cold of the moon's shadow for two weeks.

Ideally, one would want to build a base underground so as to maintain a more even temperature. A good place to excavate an underground base might be on the interior walls of craters. The material blasted out of the crater by the impact that formed it might expose natural subterranean cavities and tunnels that could be expanded and then sealed and pressurized for inhabitants. With plenty of bright sunshine for two weeks non-stop without any clouds, electrical power would be plentiful through the use of solar panels and some sort of energy storage system.

I am all for setting up some sort of continuous spy satellite montioring of the moon's surface...especially the back side where there's most likely to be an extraterrestrial presence. If they are truly up there mining our moon, then it should not take long to detect their presence with such a system of orbital spy satellites.


ken

[turulato]

For your discernment:

http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm

According to this Cooper guy it is imposible to leave the earths atmosphere and that the government is playing all of us for fools.

What say you?

Turulato

[ken_behrendt]

Turulato...

The author of the webpage you provided a link to writes:

Many years ago I had access to a set of documents that I eventually realized was the plan for the destruction of the united States of America and the formation of a socialist totalitarian world government. The plan was contained within a set of Top Secret documents with the title "MAJESTYTWELVE".

It is yet another hypothesis of a vast conspiracy to seize control of the world by shadowy figures who will not be running it in the best interests of the common man. I have, over the decades, seen many such conspiracy theories. If it's not evil forces within a government, then its some occult group like the Illuminati or some Zionist movement. Actually, this whole global domination thing is getting a little tired. None of it is in any way verifiable and the whole thing just does not make sense in light of the recent history of the world.

There certainly are plans to make a more peaceful and prosperous world...they can be found in the Charter of the United Nations! Eventually, with the full consent of the citizens of planet Earth, we will, most likely, have a world government and it will probably be modeled on or derived directly from the United Nations.

The author then goes on to state that NASA never landed men on the moon because there is too much radiation in space and spacesuits could not keep an astronaut's body temperature within safe limits on the moon because there is no surrounding atmosphere to cool the water that circulated through tiny plastic tubing around his body inside the suit.

Both of these assertions are false. Yes, there is radiation in space, but modern spacecraft have insulation inside their hulls that limit the amount that can penetrate to the occupant section of a spacecraft. For the short duration space trips currently being made, it is more than sufficient to protect the health of the astronauts.

Objects, including spacesuits, can be cooled in the vacuum of space. Any object in space is simultaneously absorbing infrared radiation and emitting it. If it absorbs more than it emits, it will heat up. If it emits more than it absorbs, then it will cool off.

The spacesuits used on the moon had the warm water pumped through coils in the backpack that were sprayed with water. As the water sprayed on the coils evaporated, it cooled the water flowing through the coils. Those suits were tested in a vacuum when they were designed and they work reliably to maintain the suit's interior within a certain range even when an astronaut is standing in direct sunlight on the moon's surface.

If there is one thing one can believe in this world, it is that we did land men on the moon!


ken