Bessler Wheel Secrets #3

[Sam Peppiatt]

In all fairness to Waltcy; I fail to see how MT-7 can be considered a big secret, if you will forgive me for saying so------------------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

In all fairness to Waltcy; I fail to see how MT-7 can be considered a big secret, if you will forgive me for saying so------------------------Sam

When I first began looking for perpetual motion the last part of the last century, I investigated the idea of curves, then later found out da Vinci gave them a good look centuries before me or Bessler.

Maybe mikeyned can fill in the gaps da Vinci failed to see.

[mikeyned]

Maybe mikeyned can fill in the gaps da Vinci failed to see.

Ya. probably could but I have often found it beyond impossible to explain anything to …. An example: The guy at the hardware store two weeks ago. As soon as I affirmed that I was reconstructing an air compressor he knew EVERYTHING I needed and would not shut up long enough to hear anything but his own opinion. Got louder and louder the few times I attempted to question his selections. That only required two return trips and he was furious as Hell that I kept coming back to return his knowledgeable choices until I got the right stuff. In the end all he really wanted to do was stand at the check-out and loudly argue/proclaim to everyone in the area that I had not told him all of the details before he made those choices. DUH.

And second, at a truly base level my parents only communicated by arguing, fighting and insulting harsh comments. Especially as they got older.

Not interested.

mIKEY

[mikeyned]

And in all fairness to the guy at the hardware store he did have 1 out of 9 pieces correct right away.

mIKEY

[Fletcher]

You can only lay out your thoughts, with any reasonings and 'evidence" to support your conclusions and directions mIKEY.

The old "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink".

We are all swayed by our own prejudices and beliefs, and these impact on what we can take in at any one time.

ATEOTD be satisfied that you have recorded your conclusions etc here for all to read and either accept, investigate, or dismiss as unworkable.

The next step is to prove the final outcome of a working wheel based on your findings.

It is the ultimate test that you are correct and others have failed to grasp the significance of your arguments.

All The Best.

[agor95]

I think it is only prudent to allow a subject mater expert to have respect.

Creating a 'negative vibe' after an initial consideration is in itself
dis-respectful.

When an idea comes to you based on or triggered by the subject matter.
Then acknowledging the source of the inspiration.

P.S. Of cause you need subject mater to start this process.

Regards

[WaltzCee]

. .. .. .
The next step is to prove the final outcome of a working wheel based on your findings.

It is the ultimate test that you are correct and others have failed to grasp the significance of your arguments.

All The Best.

Yep. All boils down to that ultimate test to establish who is or isn't a 'subject mater expert'.

So many mechanisms have so many finger prints on them it's difficult to establish who broke them first.

Creating a 'negative vibe' after an initial consideration is in itself
dis-respectful.

The real questions a PM contraption will answer is 'is man in a creation?' and 'is there a creator?'

Is it possible for a single force (God) to have made all things by himself?

Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself

The old "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink".

I like the one using horticulture in a sentence.

• You can lead an ag whore to culture yet you can't make her think.

[ovyyus]

The real questions a PM contraption will answer is 'is man in a creation?' and 'is there a creator?'

You wouldn't be the first person to think the validity of their religious beliefs might be answered by the outcome of this mystery. Like moths to a flame :D

Good to see you're still kicking, Mikeyned.

[WaltzCee]

. .. .. .

You wouldn't be the first person to think the validity of their religious beliefs might be answered by the outcome of this mystery. Like moths to a flame :D

. .. .. .

What I really think is the idea of life accidentally haphazardly happening is statistically impossible necessitating some intelligent design.

And for what ever reason, the intelligencia declared creation is impossible with 1LoT and consequently perpetual motion contraptions are impossible because they would of necessity have to create energy.

Although the single force of gravity being the prime mover of a PM machine wouldn't prove there is a god, it would prove a single force can create.

• And when ever that point is made, Pavlov's wager is a sure bet. The hounds of hell salivate.

[mikeyned]

A YouTube viewer asked a question in the comment section of Video #3
So how come your reproduction does not work if Bessler's wheel worked?
My Answer:
The path is long and my work may only be a portion of the trip. If God had intended me to complete the puzzle he would have given me more of an opportunity (money, equipment, partner, time) to accomplish the task myself and that is the best short answer.
But since you are asking so nicely, my prototype does not yet fully comply with requirements of MT16, 29, 30, 45, 53, 106 and possibly a couple others. It looks more like a duck than any others I have seen but does not quack…. yet.
My demonstration wheel was more like 13 inches diameter instead of 11. So the exact anchor points and lengths of the ropes must still be determined by experimentation.
I have yet to figure out how to log or discern the data that I see as variables change.
Will soon be 65 yrs old so rather than defiantly grasping what little I have I wanted to share it with the future generations hoping the goal does not die.
The apparently 100 or so people in the world who are actually working on the solution are all looking in different directions. My simplest hope is to unify them with a singular goal or objective.
mIKEY

[Sam Peppiatt]

mikeyned, That sounds much better. It's very difficult, if not impossible, to know what direction to go in. What can I say--------------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

Will soon be 65 yrs old so rather than defiantly gasping

well, if I had known you were so ancient I'd have had a bit more respect.

I'm going to straighten up and try and fly straight from here on out.

Although it's a thoroughly mindless and unoriginal point, it's been suggested the answer is not so much found in any mechanism (the how) yet in an idea or principle (the why).

• my prototype does not yet fully comply with requirements of MT16, 29, 30, 45, 53, 106 and possibly a couple others.

If you might distill those mechanics into a principle, it perhaps is possible to combine/eliminate some of them. Maybe cut to the chase so to speak.

Then again, I might just be talking out my agor.
darnit. There I go again.

[Fletcher]

A YouTube viewer asked a question in the comment section of Video #3
So how come your reproduction does not work if Bessler's wheel worked?
My Answer:
The path is long and my work may only be a portion of the trip. If God had intended me to complete the puzzle he would have given me more of an opportunity (money, equipment, partner, time) to accomplish the task myself and that is the best short answer.
But since you are asking so nicely, my prototype does not yet fully comply with requirements of MT16, 29, 30, 45, 53, 106 and possibly a couple others. It looks more like a duck than any others I have seen but does not quack…. yet.
My demonstration wheel was more like 13 inches diameter instead of 11. So the exact anchor points and lengths of the ropes must still be determined by experimentation.
I have yet to figure out how to log or discern the data that I see as variables change.
Will soon be 65 yrs old so rather than defiantly grasping what little I have I wanted to share it with the future generations hoping the goal does not die.
The apparently 100 or so people in the world who are actually working on the solution are all looking in different directions. My simplest hope is to unify them with a singular goal or objective.
mIKEY

A thoughtful and genuine answer we can relate to mIKEY ..

Although it's a thoroughly mindless and unoriginal point, it's been suggested the answer is not so much found in any mechanism (the how) yet in an idea or principle (the why).

I quoted Walt's summary above because I strongly believe that is the situation we all face, and have to face up to.

Many false OB wheels ( various mechanical "HOW" arrangements ), which are simple machines, can be transformed into runners with the the physical intervention of the "Prime Mover" structure or apparatus added to them. The "WHY" principle that is the physical catalyst for an all-of-wheel NET POSITIVE FORCE GAIN.

Various B. comments throughout MT tagged to various disparate simple machines seem to support this conclusion, imo !

[MrTim]

If God had intended me to complete the puzzle he would have given me more of an opportunity (money, equipment, partner, time) to accomplish the task myself and that is the best short answer.

God has pretty much told me that I have to figure it out myself (which I'm slowly doing... ;-)

[agor95]

A thoughtful and genuine answer we can relate to mIKEY ..

I can agree with the sentiment for it may appear we are going in different directions.

There is a possibility we are on the same general path.

It's the focus on details that hides the general principle.

Regards