Do you know the super wheel

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https://youtu.be/ggypofIREag
it is enough to run, I find this system with spring even more powerful, I almost bought a pair a few years ago, I was afraid of the ridicule. Today, I am more serene the proof I am here. :)
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[agor95]

I was afraid of the ridicule. Today, I am more serene the proof I am here. :)

The key point other than joint protection is the spring frequency.

In the case of the wheel there should be a optimal rotation speed.

In the same way the footwear should be tuned to a running pace.

Or is that ridiculous.

Agor

[agor95]

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/prod ... ost-476421

This magazine is awaiting a wheel to test. And we await their findings.

Also the wheel is being manufactured in France. So any members in that country might see one in the future.

Regards

[agor95]

Each component has it's place. I think component 36 is of interest in a Bessler context.

Regards

[agor95]

... of course it shows us the way to a gravity machine.
Happy reading everyone

Well azimuthe we have given the forum some time to process your contribution.

Lets have a conversation on the subject as the 6 main users are working on more pressing matters.

I suppose the question is 'Do you think this has merit or not and why?'

Regards

[azimuthe]

Hello Agor95
I have been working on the system for a long time, I call this system off-centering.
I came across this wheel totally by chance, it gave me the impetus to resume working on this concept.
I've already iterated through a lot of non-working solutions
I got back to work.

[agor95]

Good an 'off-centering system' is a fair classification.

I hope the reason why the members are quiet is because they are working on the concept themselves.

Some maybe a little inhibited because of exiting paradigm/s.

For example moving the center to the side and keeping it there means the COM does not drop.
Therefore no energy is being produced too create acceleration.

I am looking at it as a disc in the drum configuration.

I think this concept/paradigm has two modes.

The first being the overbalance/gravity and the other external stress that does not require gravity.

In the bicycle mode the internal stress is the riders mass. However a compression spring could be used.
The forces are up from the road and down to the axle. That would generate torque as the forces are vertical and not aligned.

The overbalanced mode would be the wheel could be held up be the axle. The mass of the wheel would be employed. However the wheel would rotation in the opposite direction.

Note. This is a one way wheel but the direction is set by the forces being exerted.

P.S. So I will take it you are positive and investigating.

That is a good place to be in any study.

All the Best

[agor95]

These are images of a disc [wheel] within a drum.

Nothing exceptional or patent original here.

The drum is blue. White strength spokes and a hub bearing.

The disc is grey.

The 'Prime Mover' pushes against the central white axle on the grey disc.
[ Removed for clarity :) ]

This causes the disc to move down and to the right.

The 'Prime Mover' is based on the 'Stork Bill - Lazy Tong' seen on the Toy Page.

However it's something special.

P.S. The disc is centered to allow work on the geometry of the disc movement.

Regards

[Tarsier79]

You can't apply a force in one direction and expect perpetual rotation. A force has to be switched on and off, and ideally should be greater than the force required to turn/accelerate the wheel/system.

The super wheel has to give the "advantage" from your body weight pumping up and down as you pedal. I guess some of this force was previously wasted, so that is where they claim an increase of efficiency.

[Fletcher]

Right .. from muscle energy IINM.

They would need to have a control experiment, of say a robot cyclist analogue pedaling over a completely flat smooth surface (or very slight downhill) and compare it to a setup without the super-wheel.

It could be done quite easily I'd imagine. Surprising they haven't already done this unless I missed it.

[agor95]

These are two valid observations, on Fletcher's point, a device of this nature needs third-party testing and verification.

I found the various video's counter productive to their promotional purpose.

Lots of images of people standing and sitting next to bicycles.
Video's of riders cycling along with the camera tilted creating an apparent up hill slope.
A rider peddling in high gear moving towards and between two other riders bicycles.
Also the video of a unbalanced wheel on a bicycle.
Were the bicycle is lifted and the wheel rotates to it's keeling position.

All the above can be done with normal bicycles.

Some people will believe what they truly want and will perceive it in the footage above.

However a device that claims what it supposed to do would have better footage and test results than that presented so far.

Saying all this above is a weakness of presentation and test result publishing.
Done by design or lack of marketing maturity.

Tarsier' observation can be treated as a axiom of kinetics. So a force in one direction is in effect a 'conservative force.

Any energy released, as work too move, needs to be returned too move back.

A possible option is action of the rider pumping up and down could be used with a ratchet or ratchet like
asymmetric latch.

Such a ratchet like component could be present in the 'Super Wheel'.

P.S. This is all about the 'Super Wheel' product. I prefer to look at the concept from the ground up.

All the Best

[agor95]

You can't apply a force in one direction and expect perpetual rotation. A force has to be switched on and off, and ideally should be greater than the force required to turn/accelerate the wheel/system.
...

In this illustration the inner wheel has been displaced down and to the right.
There is a transparency ghost of the AP wheel to show the direction.

This deformation happens when the force is applied vertically and is constant.

You can see the wheel hub's horizontal movement is to the right and the drum center is to it's left.

When the drum is on the ground a counter force is applied up from the rim to the drum hub.
With a downward force applied on the wheels hub.

This torque can be separate from gravity effects and could be greater up to the material's structure limits.

When the AP Wheel rotates and it will rotate. The forces will change direction in relation to AP Wheel's configuration.

The linkages [hidden] converts the constant downward force into the initial down & right displacement.

This still applies and the wheel rolls to take that position.

Then the process start again.

P.S. There are different linkages that can be implemented. Your choice on which one you want to use.

All the Best

[Robinhood46]

I'm pretty sceptical of the super wheel, however, i have noticed a similar behaviour with Algodoo bearings which give runners.
As i said previously, "is Algodoo showing us something we don't want to see?".
Can the same apply to the super wheel?

[agor95]

Hello azimuthe

I trust the presentations so far are in line with your research?

I expect others who are reading this post or have seen the 'Super Wheel' will be motivated to carry out
research of there own.

P.S.

The term 'A Long Time' is surprisingly long around here.

Also this idea has been around since a child got into a barrel and roll down a hill.
Or a slave walking up a water pump tread mill drum in pharaonic Egypt.

Regards

[agor95]

I'm pretty sceptical of the super wheel.

That is a reasonable position to have and one I share.

So one should simplify the concept were ever possible and calculate the stresses being exerted.

That is were proof can be found and sceptasium addressed and respected.

Regards