MT44 & MT45

[agor95]

If you are or have looked into the above designs then I would like to know.

I still think people look at masses vertically because that is how all the work is done.

They miss the horizontal movement.

As the wheel rotates with two balanced masses. Those masses are in motion.

Instead of raising the mass at 12 or 6 then just move the mass at 12 at it's tangential speed and direction out from it's inner position to it's outer position. That does not need any work.

Now as the mass falls down we want to use it's speed towards the center line to follow a horizontal path to move from the outer to the inner position at 6.

That is the fundamental task.

Regards

[Leafy]

Trading width for height or height for width won’t work.

When you move 12 o’clock mass left, you gained a torque. It travel 90 degrees with that torque gained.

As it travel another 90 degrees to 6 o’clock, that’s the same torque lost. Reset it at 6 o’clock and you get net 0 at best.

[Leafy]

Actually you might be right Agor.

I traced out the path of the mass from 12 to 6 o’clock.

There is a gain… hmmm have to think about this

[johannesbender]

"A great craftsman would be that man who can 'lightly' cause a heavy weight to fly upwards" , one would be a magician never mind a craftsman or live in an alternate universe where the physics behave different to accomplish this task , some things cant be done.

IMO for mass displacement (normal OB wheels) to work , the displacement must take place without system losses , ex. a fall tradeoff to lift is already a loss and not a gain , fall and lift can be replaced by any direction , non left to rotate, MT13.

[agor95]

... won’t work.

A great sage once said 'A craftsman who sees a fault in a wheel has a broken wheel. A craftsman who see the fix to a wheel has a working cart'.

Ohomm

[agor95]

The ramps you see in MT44 and MT45 are faulty.

Look again and see how they have to drop up ball from the wheel to the ramp.

http://www.orffyre.com/mt.html

Most Remote Viewers ;) of this site will eventually scan the MT drawings looking for promising candidates.

These have been made faulty to cause you to skip over them and move on to others.

The ramps are not sloped to move the Balls along them. The slop can be really small or not there at all.

Ohomm

[johannesbender]

The side view where its correct , most likely you cant draw it from the front without drawing over other stuff.

[agor95]

"A great craftsman would be that man who can 'lightly' cause a heavy weight to fly upwards",

Can not the Ball flying sideways and ending up on the outer part of the rim be considered 'UP'; Ohomm.

The motion of the Ball is tangential at 12 Of the clock to the left or right. Does is not move 'lightly' without effort; Ohomm.

Can one Heat stroke and what does it tasted like; Ohomm

[johannesbender]

"A great craftsman would be that man who can 'lightly' cause a heavy weight to fly upwards",

Can not the Ball flying sideways and ending up on the outer part of the rim be considered 'UP'; Ohomm.

The motion of the Ball is tangential at 12 Of the clock to the left or right. Does is not move 'lightly' without effort; Ohomm.

Can one Heat stroke and what does it task like; Ohomm

every way is just some degrees away from up or down or in and out , guess depends on what you measure , relative to...

[agor95]

Every way is just some degrees away from up or down or in and out , guess depends on what you measure , relative to...

Hello Brother for you seek that which is beyond the obvious.

The fault people see is moving the Ball from the inner position horizontally to reach the outer position on the wheel.

This has been tried many times. So do not move the same Ball; Ohomm.

Also the Ball being moved from the outer position back to the inner from the outer again do not move the same ball; Ohomm.

When you fire an electron at a barrier the electron that flies away from the barrier. Is it the same electron or not; Ohomm

[agor95]

Actually you might be right Agor.

I traced out the path of the mass from 12 to 6 o’clock.

There is a gain… hmmm have to think about this

Ha padawan learner; you are not using the force.

Look at the 6 Of the clock; The left ball uses the force to place a ball at the 6 Of the clock position horizontally.

Ohomm

[agor95]

Before the heat starts to addle my brains.

It is not the size or gearing that Bessler is pointing out but the nature of the Ball Bearings confinement.
Either in a tight sector box or a sloping looser box confinement.

Does the sloping confinement hold the B.B. in or flay them out?

Ohomm

[agor95]

The Ball Bearings have an inner and outer position.

So what are the Extremes?

One is where the inner and outer positions are the same.
The other is when the inner is next to the hub.

The outer position under the cover; size matters. You at the back row stop sniggering.

With a large 4 metre wheel rotating at 54 revolution per minute a Ball Bearing speed is large; to large.

While the B.B. speed near the hub is to low.

A B.B. close to the hub speed will not have the speed to reach the outer position and it's 12 O'clock is also close to it's 6 O'clock position.

So the positive knowledge is the Extremes can be skipped.

What is the possible range from inner to outer position.
Keeping the outer close under the wheel covers.

How big can it be? No sniggering.

Ohomm

[preoccupied]

I think that you might have drawn a visual fallacy. Here is a picture in MS Paint that might be more proportional.

[agor95]

I think that you might have drawn a visual fallacy.

On the contrary I have not drawn anything.

The fallacy is all yours.

I generally ignore your posts. It looks like the best policy.

P.S. You have those circles draw perfectly. Pity the concept is not drawn in your minds.