AldenPark wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:50 am
I wasn't speaking about any particular MT. Essentially all of Bessler's devices would be perpetual motion devices, if they used an Orffyrean roller bearing, even a pure solid cylinder. They need both Bessler's ultra-low friction bearings and the Bessler principle, which principle is that any wheel rotating about a horizontal axis receives energy from gravity.
Bessler most likely used stone and water. His Mt 125 can work if water is pumped 90º to the axle.
Newton's laws of motion say equal but opposing while Tesla says 90º out of phase. Who would think
that would work mechanically?
With what I'm building, it is at 90º. I just never considered that "bearings" could be inflated. That is what
bellows do. And "around" the wheel? It is possible that you helped to expose Bessler's world. Perpetual
motion is one thing but to include hydraulics as well, candy is just dandy they say.
I know you can't consider this but with what I'm working on, even more power might be generated. And
to think guys like you are feeding me information while saying it's worthless. Is it okay if I don't believe you?
The Bessler principle works because for each graviton traveling upward there is first a lower pull-down followed by a higher pull-down. Thus, each wheel rotating about a horizontal axis acquires extra rotational speed from gravity but when using normal lowest-friction bearings, there is so much friction that the acquired energy is lost to friction. Extremely low-friction mechanical bearings (which we do not have today) are required so that not all the acquired energy is wasted upon friction. If we had Bessler's specially grown Orffyrean roller bearings, then a solid rotating wheel would speed up in angular speed, until it is at equilibrium because of increased air friction at higher angular speed. The increased production of angular speed at increased angular speed (by the Bessler principle) would be equal to the increased combined friction due to both air friction and the Orffyrean roller bearing. My Internet sites have greatly changed, since this topic started on 5 Mar 2004. Maybe people should look at my new Internet sites and my three free pdf books.
Bearing friction is not the reason any MT, or any other OB wheel, or any other design I have ever seen does not work. Also Magnetic levitating bearings are the least friction.
If you grow the Orffyrean roller bearings, you will have a modern day Bessler wheel. My decoded instructions for producing Orffyrean roller bearings built by Bessler (which I derived from Bessler's bearing specifications and his coded little book) may be found in two of my free pdf books: GWU and BLBD. In GWU, see (9.1 pp. 258-275), (14.1 pp. 329-332), (B.6 pp. 531-536). In BLBD, see pp. 76-81. There is a more complete list of pages referencing the Orffyrean roller bearings in GWU of pp. 107, 142, 153-155, 258-275, 329-332, 435, 469-471, 518, 523, and 531-536. It is tough hazardous work growing the Orffyrean roller bearings, as you should see from my instructions. Bessler apparently suffered from too much exposure to mercury, as you can imagine from the instructions that I provided. He apparently had symptoms of the Mad Hatter's disease. See p. 169 of John Collins' book PM97 where it says "Orffyreus is mad." I provide the reason why he was mad. On my GETTR posts I refer to the Orffyrean roller bearings using #OrffyreanRollerBearings (#ORB). I am unaware of anyone in modern times growing the Orffyrean roller bearings. AEP - 27 Aug 2022
After surface growth, the formation material containing mercury would need to be flushed out leaving stainless steel lobes and lobe-holes on the surfaces of the rollers. I am unaware of anyone following my instructions for growth of Orffyrean roller bearings to produce modern-day Bessler wheels.
B's. runners could maintain self-moving AND do external work at the same time (the LOAD).
Even if we assume every pivot joint, fulcrum, and the axle inside the wheel had Alden's bearings, the Load would not have these bearings, AND it would have additional frictions e.g water screw test of the Kassel wheel - outside of bearings there would be water frictions from the water molecules and the screw and lifting chamber interacting.
His runners worked on their own, and also with a Load Test attached. Water screw and stampers were observed, and the box of bricks lifting test.
I was just skimming this thread catching up, and I think I remember Alden also saying any MT could work with his bearings theory. Given what I just said above this means with the special bearings the stampers and water screw etc ON THEIR OWN should also be OU - don't think so.
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Fletcher wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:41 pm
I was just skimming this thread catching up, and I think I remember Alden also saying any MT could work with his bearings theory. Given what I just said above this means with the special bearings the stampers and water screw etc ON THEIR OWN should also be OU - don't think so.
I agree, Fletcher. However my thinking has evolved concerning what the prime mover is. I think like begets like and the space-time fabric has as its nature the capacity to create more space given sufficient time.
All things connected properly, there is energy in that expansion. Of course, there is the necessity of building it :) .
I'm getting kind of lazy in my old age. I do agree with your point though.
