In Orffyraeana there is a section called 'Memorial über das Prinzip des Perpetuum mobile', which google translates as "Memorial about the principle of the Perpetuum Mobile". It consists of 8 pages of handwritten text:
https://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/v ... _0009/pdf/
It sounds quite interesting, but I cannot find a single mention of it on the forum. Anyone know if it has been translated?
Memorial about the principle of the Perpetuum Mobile
Moderator: scott
Re: Memorial about the principle of the Perpetuum Mobile
That does sound interesting. Besslers handwriting is atrocious, otherwise I would take a bash at it with google translate.
Re: Memorial about the principle of the Perpetuum Mobile
Is there any indication of the year it was written?
What goes around, comes around.
Re: Memorial about the principle of the Perpetuum Mobile
I am not sure it is even written by Bessler. It does look like it though.
If Bessler wrote it, he didn't sign it like he normally would. I don't think there would be any usable information there, but it could be worth some time to try.
If Bessler wrote it, he didn't sign it like he normally would. I don't think there would be any usable information there, but it could be worth some time to try.
Re: Memorial about the principle of the Perpetuum Mobile
OCR + DeepL translate. Far from perfect, but good enough to not go any further:
My opinion, from the garbled mess, it appears to not be written by Bessler, but by someone commenting on Wagners critique of the wheel. This is probably already in DT (I haven't checked).
1.
There exists the gnate principium moveu
h of H. Wragene's speech consists of different
and connecting into one another, and
and stretching around each other, which have weights hanging
weights hanging down to both tritins no
different from the wheels of a common stand.
their drives and the
but from the wool or ap
of the great wheel, so that one can run around
and thus hang down from the inside of the
in the rode running around perpendin
culariter float; and one could not imagine
The thing almost no better imagine than
than if you put a roast turner from the
which is driven by weight stene and wants to have
and have it hang through the top
so that also this raderwerke
so that the large, wheel drive is not
not seen, and therefore the secret discovered
2.
The large, open ward on both sides is
was covered on both sides with cardboard.
and has meanwhile been concealed.
everyone can see for themselves that because the
of the large red only from the small
dependiret, such would not be longer
longer than until the weakened veins are
down the letters and the
the small ones neither expired, therefore H
wegeners was for the longest time
half a day constantly to the other
around and then stands still again until the
until the small neither
work is brought inside by the weights as if it were
is brought in. It also has
hewegeners and still this incomodu
that because the weights are heavy on the
work heavy and consequently the erctio ds
that have with what it on the wool offer
3.
too big, the wheel moves very laxly.
strives. But h wagner himself has
himself that he could easily remedy these incomodi
could easily remedy these incomodities, in part by
the great and consistently neheiuug
of the correct woodwork easily, and instead of the
and instead of the weights on the small wheel
the small wheel with a stiff
spring instead of the weights on the small wheel, but which
because it is much more expensive,
he also thinks that the work could be improved by
by various other services in such a way that the wheel
that the wheel is not used for all
longer and for 2 31a 8days one after the other, but also a
one after the other, but also a faster
run faster. And in the same
way mayhes with all the view after with
H. Orfigren vad sey. inventis
facile est aliquid addere, since one after
4.
according to the common and proper also
einarinis
princinus inathematicis because of this
that the egg and the ganja can run 8 days cons
tmue run one after the other, why such
one by some additions and together
besides inventiones not one wheel several wore
one after the other.
but that does not make it a per
petuum et per se movens, but it nevertheless
nevertheless came to its set and
purchase and, therefore, it is a
have an erboegte hülfe nöhtig; in
wil jeto just de question, ob ei pernetuum
mobile possible, be left entirely undone,
nor do I want to claim in any way stubbornly
that H. Orf. vad von werd, waßer triebe
feathers, cimbeln or mereuno, because he is again
because he again protests all this so much, but
but I only want to remind you that the entire
remind that the whole hrobe, which he de
5.
2st Act. of the past year in the presence of the
Princely. Merseburg Commission and other people
not the slightest evidence that
may be var can hold me in front of a perpetium
mobile could or must then
that he would leave it for a few hours,
that he lifted it out of the boards, and
the boards, the boards and the tenons to be inspected.
the boards together with the studs only proves that
so much that there is no imposture
and that the vad is not pulled by a hidden rope.
by a hidden rope, but it does not follow
but no way on it ergo runs the
wheel runs by itself through the blind
hidden weave pernetis, and so lieg
until the material destroys itself by the exploitation cell
destuciret, but wan h. Orf. prove
that there is no one at a specific time.
time to be determined motum tempa
6.
princpiomoventi to help dans fang
this remains and he to the mentioned principio
always something else and to turn or
to put and to bring in state has needed
as long as it can not be seen before a ppet mobu
otherwise a clockwork which may be
from one time to another can be called a ppet mobus
could also be called a ppet mobus. finally, as for the
the quality of this racd is based.
it is mostly based on the form that the speech has
by fine swing, but wanH.
hefn could make such tests with his rorde
from which it can be seen that the forie
of the wheel in the lifting of a weight or
or other such strangulation not from the
the swing of the wheel but from the
force of the principii moventis,
which by drawing a pumpr eti honst
then it could be shown, that mon
from the works even greater nnten hope
7.
princpiomoventi to help dans fang
this remains and he to the mentioned principio
always something else and to turn or
to put and to bring into place
as long as it can not be seen before a ppet mobu
otherwise a clockwork which may be
from one time to another can be called a ppet mobus
could also be called a ppet mobus. finally, as for the
the quality of this racd is based.
it is mostly based on the form that the speech has
by fine swing, but wanH.
hefn could make such tests with his rorde
from which it can be seen that the forie
of the wheel in the lifting of a weight or
or other such strangulation not from the
the swing of the wheel but from the
force of the principii moventis,
which by drawing a pumpr eti honst
then it could be shown, that mon
from the works even greater nnten hope
8.
Howbeit by all this near
would not prove that because of this
the work before an indention of the
true ppetu mobilis
which is also a temporanum mobil
the same and even more useful
can have such and more useful effects.
My opinion, from the garbled mess, it appears to not be written by Bessler, but by someone commenting on Wagners critique of the wheel. This is probably already in DT (I haven't checked).
1.
There exists the gnate principium moveu
h of H. Wragene's speech consists of different
and connecting into one another, and
and stretching around each other, which have weights hanging
weights hanging down to both tritins no
different from the wheels of a common stand.
their drives and the
but from the wool or ap
of the great wheel, so that one can run around
and thus hang down from the inside of the
in the rode running around perpendin
culariter float; and one could not imagine
The thing almost no better imagine than
than if you put a roast turner from the
which is driven by weight stene and wants to have
and have it hang through the top
so that also this raderwerke
so that the large, wheel drive is not
not seen, and therefore the secret discovered
2.
The large, open ward on both sides is
was covered on both sides with cardboard.
and has meanwhile been concealed.
everyone can see for themselves that because the
of the large red only from the small
dependiret, such would not be longer
longer than until the weakened veins are
down the letters and the
the small ones neither expired, therefore H
wegeners was for the longest time
half a day constantly to the other
around and then stands still again until the
until the small neither
work is brought inside by the weights as if it were
is brought in. It also has
hewegeners and still this incomodu
that because the weights are heavy on the
work heavy and consequently the erctio ds
that have with what it on the wool offer
3.
too big, the wheel moves very laxly.
strives. But h wagner himself has
himself that he could easily remedy these incomodi
could easily remedy these incomodities, in part by
the great and consistently neheiuug
of the correct woodwork easily, and instead of the
and instead of the weights on the small wheel
the small wheel with a stiff
spring instead of the weights on the small wheel, but which
because it is much more expensive,
he also thinks that the work could be improved by
by various other services in such a way that the wheel
that the wheel is not used for all
longer and for 2 31a 8days one after the other, but also a
one after the other, but also a faster
run faster. And in the same
way mayhes with all the view after with
H. Orfigren vad sey. inventis
facile est aliquid addere, since one after
4.
according to the common and proper also
einarinis
princinus inathematicis because of this
that the egg and the ganja can run 8 days cons
tmue run one after the other, why such
one by some additions and together
besides inventiones not one wheel several wore
one after the other.
but that does not make it a per
petuum et per se movens, but it nevertheless
nevertheless came to its set and
purchase and, therefore, it is a
have an erboegte hülfe nöhtig; in
wil jeto just de question, ob ei pernetuum
mobile possible, be left entirely undone,
nor do I want to claim in any way stubbornly
that H. Orf. vad von werd, waßer triebe
feathers, cimbeln or mereuno, because he is again
because he again protests all this so much, but
but I only want to remind you that the entire
remind that the whole hrobe, which he de
5.
2st Act. of the past year in the presence of the
Princely. Merseburg Commission and other people
not the slightest evidence that
may be var can hold me in front of a perpetium
mobile could or must then
that he would leave it for a few hours,
that he lifted it out of the boards, and
the boards, the boards and the tenons to be inspected.
the boards together with the studs only proves that
so much that there is no imposture
and that the vad is not pulled by a hidden rope.
by a hidden rope, but it does not follow
but no way on it ergo runs the
wheel runs by itself through the blind
hidden weave pernetis, and so lieg
until the material destroys itself by the exploitation cell
destuciret, but wan h. Orf. prove
that there is no one at a specific time.
time to be determined motum tempa
6.
princpiomoventi to help dans fang
this remains and he to the mentioned principio
always something else and to turn or
to put and to bring in state has needed
as long as it can not be seen before a ppet mobu
otherwise a clockwork which may be
from one time to another can be called a ppet mobus
could also be called a ppet mobus. finally, as for the
the quality of this racd is based.
it is mostly based on the form that the speech has
by fine swing, but wanH.
hefn could make such tests with his rorde
from which it can be seen that the forie
of the wheel in the lifting of a weight or
or other such strangulation not from the
the swing of the wheel but from the
force of the principii moventis,
which by drawing a pumpr eti honst
then it could be shown, that mon
from the works even greater nnten hope
7.
princpiomoventi to help dans fang
this remains and he to the mentioned principio
always something else and to turn or
to put and to bring into place
as long as it can not be seen before a ppet mobu
otherwise a clockwork which may be
from one time to another can be called a ppet mobus
could also be called a ppet mobus. finally, as for the
the quality of this racd is based.
it is mostly based on the form that the speech has
by fine swing, but wanH.
hefn could make such tests with his rorde
from which it can be seen that the forie
of the wheel in the lifting of a weight or
or other such strangulation not from the
the swing of the wheel but from the
force of the principii moventis,
which by drawing a pumpr eti honst
then it could be shown, that mon
from the works even greater nnten hope
8.
Howbeit by all this near
would not prove that because of this
the work before an indention of the
true ppetu mobilis
which is also a temporanum mobil
the same and even more useful
can have such and more useful effects.
Re: Memorial about the principle of the Perpetuum Mobile
Thanks to the finder and the translator. :)
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Not everything I present is functional, but a surprise can't be completely ruled out.Greetings.
Re: Memorial about the principle of the Perpetuum Mobile
Thanks Tarsier, I'm amazed anything can ocr that scrawl. It does look like someone else's commentary.
Re: Memorial about the principle of the Perpetuum Mobile
OCR has come a long way. Mind you, I did another document, and a date: 1738 clear as day came out as I 4 38. It was even finding letters in the drawings and decorations on pages.
Re: Memorial about the principle of the Perpetuum Mobile
It is the nature of AI Neural Networks to look for objects they have been trained to pick out.
Even when there is none in the image. Just like optical illusions we see that are not present.
Regards
[MP] Mobiles that perpetuate - external energy allowed
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Wow; impressive
What goes around, comes around.