THE wheel fatal flaw that no one notice

[Leafy]

They are passive - the only mean to lift weight rely solely on the wheel momentum.

If the wheel has no part(s) that stored energy, the wheel is passive and won’t work.

[Leafy]

Spring release mechanism:

Mass use gravity to compressed the spring and locked in position.

Spring release mass from locking position and pushed it into another locking position.

[Leafy]

Actually it’s not quite true that an energy stored parts must be used.

This design lift weights with pulleys and cords and achieves the same.

Each mass is connected by two cords: one to the next mass and one to the previous mass.

They gravitating in pairs.

[spinner361]

Have you built it yet or have you run a simulation? Will the weights be able to get themselves into the positions that you show?

[Leafy]

No, it just a simulation of the mind. This is with ideal frictionless condition and every part works perfect as it should.

As my mind simulate, this starting position go clockwise for 45 degree and stop because of friction. If there is no friction it will go another 45 degree to the point of reset.

The gain would be the mass shifting action itself. It’s acceleration creates a torque clockwise which should able it to reset.

[preoccupied]

I can't tell how it's set up or would work by what you've drawn leafy. So I drew my version of what looks like yours here in this drawing here. The drawing I made makes sense to me. It makes it so it's shifting towards so that 5 weights are on the right and 4 weights on the left.

A spring helps push weights into position in stage 2. In stage two the top right weight slides down on its own and the spring pulls the left and right bottom weights up.

[Leafy]

Thx PO,

I redrew the connections outside likes yours for easier to see.

[preoccupied]

With this extra set of 2 weights 45 degrees from the main set of 3 weights you can make the spring stronger. It doesn't help over balance the wheel but maybe the spring could be harnessed for energy.

The spring can be about 3x the strength of a weight. All that is does as far as over balancing the wheel is pull the weights more forcefully into position. When it pulls the weights more forcefully into position it only has to lift 2 weight up because the others are either falling on their own or horizontal. So there is 1 weights worth of force in the spring that could be harnessed at that point in the shifting of the weights. I don't know if I made a mistake. I am prone to mistakes when I add things to designs.

[Leafy]

I have no idea what you drawing either but lets’s keep posting. :)

Double shurikens design to defeat friction:

[Tarsier79]

Why multiply? Does one weight/spring mechanism give a positive torque through a single rotation?

[preoccupied]

The four weights lift one weight up plus a spring. All of the weights weigh one unit. So the spring gets the remainder 3. The wheel needs to shift weights so while it has some positive numbers it doesn't reach it right away so it might be just about at keel when turning but the bonus of the extra force from the spring could be harnessed potentially through a separate mechanism.

[Leafy]

If we are to fill with more shuriken crossbars, we will end up with weight distribution as shown in the black arcs.

OOB is guaranteed!

[Tarsier79]

Is it? If the spring is strong enough to push the weight up at 7:30, how is the weight strong enough to compress it at 4:30?

[preoccupied]

Is it? If the spring is strong enough to push the weight up at 7:30, how is the weight strong enough to compress it at 4:30?

In stage two is where the spring pulls up the bottom right weight. The horizontal weights and the top weight don't have much resistance. When the spring pulled out, decompressed, it has four weights pulling it. One resistance is the weight on the spring and the spring is the other 3. When the spring is compressing and pulls a weight up it only has to pull up one weight. The other weights are falling or horizontal. The horizontal weights would also tip over and fall naturally with gravity as the wheel turns so less resistance when the wheel is moving from them. The only thing the spring lifts is one weight at 45 degree angle just about. It could have about 3 weight strength leaving 1 weight strength left over. The spring lifts I mean to say the spring lifts only one weight up and its own weight. I forgot about its own weight again. I mean to say it will have about 1 strength left over but because the wheel will be turning it might be like 0.5 strength realistically because you might have to make the spring just a little weaker so that it can be lifted when the sliding weights are at more of an angle. Then again maybe not because the spring itself would be more horizontal making the weight being lifted (the weight is part of the load too) lighter. It should be roughly 3 strength spring.

[Leafy]

If we are to fill with more shuriken crossbars, we will end up with weight distribution as shown in the black arcs.

OOB is guaranteed!

If you add the lengths of the arc on the left and compare them to the right, they are equals.

No OB. Hm…