Ockham's Razor
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Ockham's Razor
I could not help myself as I have been on the bleeding edge of said razor for some time.
I noticed Jonathan used the term back in 2005.
Also Fletcher used the Razor to remove excess information. And why not I say.
With MrVibrating investigation into missing momentum and Fletcher looking at momentum's base as movement.
Well I started to sharpen the blade once more.
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I noticed Jonathan used the term back in 2005.
Also Fletcher used the Razor to remove excess information. And why not I say.
With MrVibrating investigation into missing momentum and Fletcher looking at momentum's base as movement.
Well I started to sharpen the blade once more.
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Last edited by agor95 on Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Ockham's Razor
I advice not to.
First, it’s for mainstream where they are so busy developing known things that they have no time to absorb everything. This forum is the opposite, we are pioneers.
Second, no two things are the same. If we have only one choice
Hat or cap
Soda or coke
Perpetual motion or free energy
Algebra 1 or algebra 2
…
Color of life is hampered
It’s a fee market, people don’t have to buy.
First, it’s for mainstream where they are so busy developing known things that they have no time to absorb everything. This forum is the opposite, we are pioneers.
Second, no two things are the same. If we have only one choice
Hat or cap
Soda or coke
Perpetual motion or free energy
Algebra 1 or algebra 2
…
Color of life is hampered
It’s a fee market, people don’t have to buy.
I would trade everything to see her again, even a perpetual motion machine…
Re: Ockham's Razor
Hi Leafy
This reminds me of two notions
The first is an expert knows about a subject. A good expert knows more deeply on the subject but on a narrow sub-set of the subject. In the end they known a major amount about a very small part of the subject. This leads to all there is about nothing.
When one placed your foot on the surface of a river. How many times does your foot touch that surface?
The answer is none for the surface you saw does not exist any more.
Note.
A pioneers travels into their unknown not thee unknown. True we should not fill ourselves with refinements of the known. But search for new paths in the hope it's not an old one.
Regards
This reminds me of two notions
The first is an expert knows about a subject. A good expert knows more deeply on the subject but on a narrow sub-set of the subject. In the end they known a major amount about a very small part of the subject. This leads to all there is about nothing.
When one placed your foot on the surface of a river. How many times does your foot touch that surface?
The answer is none for the surface you saw does not exist any more.
Note.
A pioneers travels into their unknown not thee unknown. True we should not fill ourselves with refinements of the known. But search for new paths in the hope it's not an old one.
Regards
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Re: Ockham's Razor
Ockham's Razor is a life management strategy about when faced with two or more explanations more often than not the simplest one is the correct one. Therefore statistically to solve a problem we should identify and investigate the simplest alternative first. And then the next and so on.
The Bessler quest suffers from severe information overload. It is an avalanche, a torrent of wheat and chaff, which needs and yet resists critical sorting, because it is designed to be so.
The Razor is the same reason I don't serve ten tennis balls to you at once - you can only hit one on return of serve and you'll miss the other nine.
The Bessler quest suffers from severe information overload. It is an avalanche, a torrent of wheat and chaff, which needs and yet resists critical sorting, because it is designed to be so.
The Razor is the same reason I don't serve ten tennis balls to you at once - you can only hit one on return of serve and you'll miss the other nine.
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Occam Razor…. Putting information here and there “removing excess” “plurality should not multiply”
What a razor used for? To shave
Shave what? Informations
So if we have a bunch of chaos informations, our chances of solving is …say 10%
If we shave off excess that deemed unnecessary, our chance is now… 20%
Which one is a good choice?
What a razor used for? To shave
Shave what? Informations
So if we have a bunch of chaos informations, our chances of solving is …say 10%
If we shave off excess that deemed unnecessary, our chance is now… 20%
Which one is a good choice?
I would trade everything to see her again, even a perpetual motion machine…
Re: Ockham's Razor
In my use of the Razor it looks like I have gone full circle and arrived at the bleeding obvious.
This reasoning I followed was cutting down a mass to a 1 kg point travelling on a circular path 1 metre radius. And you guest it moving a 1 radian per second. So the arc travelled is 1 metre.
Can I use the Razor on the units. Not really 1 unit looks cut down enough.
My goal is too simplify the movement as much as possible for any object or in my case electric field.
For I am working up from an electric field to everything else; good luck.
In a very small Delta of time curves are straight lines and accelerations are velocities.
So we have a paradox the movement above is a lot of straight lines that curve into a circle.
I have used the Razor and replaced time with another object that is vibrating in a regular way.
So a metre, should be defined as 1 m = 1,650,762.73 wavelengths of the reddish-orange spectral line of the Kr-86 isotope. The speed of light c is exactly equal to 299,792,458 metres per second (approximately 300,000 kilometres per second.
So 1 second is a lot of Kr-86 wavelengths; simple
Therefore a point like object moving up tangentially to the circle in one vibration of the above will need to be pulled in along the radial by a certain distance in this duration.
This amount is what we see as a force.
As all dimension are 1 that means this force is velocity [ v squared ].
Then it hit me Pythagoras each quadrant of the circle is made of values squared.
bleeding obvious
So why am I using up all this think time [krypton vibrations].
I am happy with modelling Ockham's Razor kinetics except where the pivot point moves.
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Re: Ockham's Razor
I’m contemplating a theory that ultimately, everything is survival of the fittest.
The strong suppose to suppress the weak to keep their position.
Justice is just an illusion to keep the weak down.
If this is the case, my thinking has been all wrong that’s there is absolute justice.
So we suppose to pretend helping others while the ultimate goal is empowering ourselves?
The strong suppose to suppress the weak to keep their position.
Justice is just an illusion to keep the weak down.
If this is the case, my thinking has been all wrong that’s there is absolute justice.
So we suppose to pretend helping others while the ultimate goal is empowering ourselves?
I would trade everything to see her again, even a perpetual motion machine…
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Re: Ockham's Razor
Thats why I point to the 1751 Gentlemens Magazine Wheel:Fletcher wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:54 pm Ockham's Razor is a life management strategy about when faced with two or more explanations more often than not the simplest one is the correct one. Therefore statistically to solve a problem we should identify and investigate the simplest alternative first. And then the next and so on.
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Bessler died when?-1745
GM Wheels Release was when?-1751
You wont find a more time-close by PM Wheel anywhere,
Bessler wanted to sell and reveal his Wheel to who?-People from the Royal Society, they were visiting him and in close discussions about revealing his secret.
The Gentlemens Magazine is created by who?-The Royal Society
Remember the Line of his Poem of the dog and his chain?-look at the GM-Wheel-fits exactly
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All good arguments NBT1 .. Also B's. last full constructed model before his death was commissioned by his landlord with connections to the Royal Society IINM. After that the trail goes cold.
There is quite a lot of discussion around the GM wheel on this forum. It looks like you will have been a member here long enough to have read them.
IIRC I simmed it, but with no success I'm afraid. It looked like a classic height for width problem unable to reset itself. It was without a doubt a clever design that incorporated a lot of Toy's Page 'clues' - like the missing rope from the spinning top for example, and SB's.
There is quite a lot of discussion around the GM wheel on this forum. It looks like you will have been a member here long enough to have read them.
IIRC I simmed it, but with no success I'm afraid. It looked like a classic height for width problem unable to reset itself. It was without a doubt a clever design that incorporated a lot of Toy's Page 'clues' - like the missing rope from the spinning top for example, and SB's.
Re: Ockham's Razor
It just a contemplation if I think what you mean lol
But no doubt there are all kind of beliefs out there and they are fighting for dominance.
I’ve found a solution to settle this earthly matter.
There are only two types of people in this world, Everyone will either be identify as matter or anti matter. To coexist, they must be strictly segregated. Matter will go to matter land and anti matter go to anti matter land.
They will be vetted not by their words but by their belief. There will be no science, no religion, no communism, no capitalism, no saints, no sinners. Either you are matter or anti matter.
If one side reverts to cannibalism for survival, it is accepted and understood. The only help is a belief reversion. Both sides will be given necessary and abundant resource for survival.
I would trade everything to see her again, even a perpetual motion machine…
Re: Ockham's Razor
There are serious philosophy concerns popping up from this:
Aren’t we separating tigers and rabbits?
No, it’s all human we’re talking about. But if you mean human with tiger mentality and rabbit mentality, I guess it’s a valid point.
What about balance and diversity of nature? Things are to balance the other.
Hm… let me ask the rabbits….. They give their index paw to diversity, don’t know what that mean. They said they have enough diversity within their own kind. They don’t mind being food, but the love is kinda short at the moment.
But rabbits live without the experience of true nature?
They say there is no law that forbid them to eat each other, hate each other, or punch each other in the face. The requirement to be on rabbit land is that one is rabbittology. But without Tigerology, eventually they don’t need to blame and punch each other in the face lol
Aren’t we separating tigers and rabbits?
No, it’s all human we’re talking about. But if you mean human with tiger mentality and rabbit mentality, I guess it’s a valid point.
What about balance and diversity of nature? Things are to balance the other.
Hm… let me ask the rabbits….. They give their index paw to diversity, don’t know what that mean. They said they have enough diversity within their own kind. They don’t mind being food, but the love is kinda short at the moment.
But rabbits live without the experience of true nature?
They say there is no law that forbid them to eat each other, hate each other, or punch each other in the face. The requirement to be on rabbit land is that one is rabbittology. But without Tigerology, eventually they don’t need to blame and punch each other in the face lol
I would trade everything to see her again, even a perpetual motion machine…
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Missed the important question. What exactly is matter anti matter rabbit tiger thingy?
You either believe in God or you don’t.
There is very little you can do to where you end up. You may never know god and still end up in God’s land. You may talk God all the time and still end up in no God land. You and your love ones may not end up the same place, but if you truly want to be together, the system is designed for singularity. Understand the reason of your choice and you may have choice.
You either believe in God or you don’t.
There is very little you can do to where you end up. You may never know god and still end up in God’s land. You may talk God all the time and still end up in no God land. You and your love ones may not end up the same place, but if you truly want to be together, the system is designed for singularity. Understand the reason of your choice and you may have choice.
I would trade everything to see her again, even a perpetual motion machine…
Contemplations
Hello Leafy
I have taken out the Razor and reviewed your posts.
You have some interesting philosophical contemplations.
The initial being 'Survival of the Fittest' and ending with the 'Existence of God?'.
There is the concept of duality throughout your posts.
As a result there seems to be a progression to a world that will not survive into the future.
There is hope for a better world and for that we need to transcend 'Duality'.
The easy one to address is the 'Existence of God'. God the word and concept exist.
You typed the word into your post so God as a concept exists for you to.
However the nature and reality of God for you is in your hands too discover.
One could consider the existential reality you inhabit is a manifestation of God.
Now 'Survival of the Fittest' this cuts down to a patter being passed and possibly duplicated through time.
However the creation of a patter also needs to change the world around it to allow Evolution.
Most of your contemplations are from various categorisation from a human viewpoint.
These by there very nature are abstractions that colour our perception of the external world.
There are very few pulses in our nervous system that are triggered by an external event.
The rest either amplify and relay the signal to other parts or create signals internally.
So our internal reality in the most part is ours to create; Imagination, stratagem & belief.
The first epoch I choose to belief is the grouping together of electric field waves.
The creation of these waves and there coming together was a result of the change in their local
environment by the wave vibration itself.
Is a group of waves stronger than a single way?
No for they all are single ways when viewed up close.
However a grouping patter increases the chance of propagation and duplication.
This is the beginning of the concept of strong entity vs a group social entity.
In the above case can a single wave alter the environment to capitalise an advantage?
In human terms; All humans are equal, but there behaviour towards interactions are capitalistic or socialistic. Both rely on changing the internal belief environment of others.
That covers most of your post's contents.
Can Capitalistic behaviour be interpreted as Predator and Socialistic behaviour as Pry?
As in your content Tiger(fox) vs Rabbit. Each has the place in their world; but balance is required.
In a way they have a symbiotic relationship.
P.S. Female Rabbits punch the males (mad march hares). This prevents having leverets and if there is not enough food the females (absorb the leverets). So Punching and Cannibalism exits.
Regards
I have taken out the Razor and reviewed your posts.
You have some interesting philosophical contemplations.
The initial being 'Survival of the Fittest' and ending with the 'Existence of God?'.
There is the concept of duality throughout your posts.
As a result there seems to be a progression to a world that will not survive into the future.
There is hope for a better world and for that we need to transcend 'Duality'.
The easy one to address is the 'Existence of God'. God the word and concept exist.
You typed the word into your post so God as a concept exists for you to.
However the nature and reality of God for you is in your hands too discover.
One could consider the existential reality you inhabit is a manifestation of God.
Now 'Survival of the Fittest' this cuts down to a patter being passed and possibly duplicated through time.
However the creation of a patter also needs to change the world around it to allow Evolution.
Most of your contemplations are from various categorisation from a human viewpoint.
These by there very nature are abstractions that colour our perception of the external world.
There are very few pulses in our nervous system that are triggered by an external event.
The rest either amplify and relay the signal to other parts or create signals internally.
So our internal reality in the most part is ours to create; Imagination, stratagem & belief.
The first epoch I choose to belief is the grouping together of electric field waves.
The creation of these waves and there coming together was a result of the change in their local
environment by the wave vibration itself.
Is a group of waves stronger than a single way?
No for they all are single ways when viewed up close.
However a grouping patter increases the chance of propagation and duplication.
This is the beginning of the concept of strong entity vs a group social entity.
In the above case can a single wave alter the environment to capitalise an advantage?
In human terms; All humans are equal, but there behaviour towards interactions are capitalistic or socialistic. Both rely on changing the internal belief environment of others.
That covers most of your post's contents.
Can Capitalistic behaviour be interpreted as Predator and Socialistic behaviour as Pry?
As in your content Tiger(fox) vs Rabbit. Each has the place in their world; but balance is required.
In a way they have a symbiotic relationship.
P.S. Female Rabbits punch the males (mad march hares). This prevents having leverets and if there is not enough food the females (absorb the leverets). So Punching and Cannibalism exits.
Regards
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Re: Ockham's Razor
Putting people who don’t believes in rules with the people who believes in rule is unbalanced, not balanced.
Dinosaur deserves their place in the world until meteorite wiped the out lol.
Believes me, without the tigers the rabbit will live happily. You may think it’s bad, but the rabbits thinks other way.
Dinosaur deserves their place in the world until meteorite wiped the out lol.
Believes me, without the tigers the rabbit will live happily. You may think it’s bad, but the rabbits thinks other way.
I would trade everything to see her again, even a perpetual motion machine…