A rediscovery of a rediscovery

[StephenG345]

What I mean to say is the design exists the method on how it works is conveyed in Johann Bessler's works. I have been at this research for a long time and the serendipitous knowledge acquired has taught me that it doesn't matter how hard you work or how exacting you are in your efforts or even how dedicated you are it does not change the fact that the truth will always be questioned no matter how obvious the evidence you have is. The design was hidden between the lines the hints to the force used was clearly expressed and logically concluded. The amount of energy that can be produced will blow your mind! And the method and how it works would without doubt change the world and correct a lot of misconceptions not just in science. The method that works as far as how to move a weight in the way it had to be moved occurred to me quite a few years ago it's exact configuration and it's connection with the design Bessler hid in his works took a lot longer to ReDiscover as I am sure it was the same for him. The one problem I am faced with now is how to convey this information responsibly I do understand that saying this will undoubtedly have a knee-jerk response with whoever reads it and the comments to follow will be prove it which is totally understandable and could be easily remedied on my part however that does nothing in solving the problem of being responsible surely there must be someone who understands this need I remind you of Bessler's fate. I've made attempts to convey this information to others most of them responding in disbelief even after explaining the operation in details carefully going over each aspect of movement and quantifying its value expressing every form of gravitational force and direction of force involved in every moment of every motion. As far as showing the design two individuals who are trained in mechanical engineering you won't get the time of day from them as soon as they learn what you're trying to explain their shortsightedness and brainwashed response is thorough even if you have them do the calculations themselves they will argue with themselves and give up and put their heads in the sand. The understanding of how it is possible does not violate any known calculations of motion it does however exposed the mistake of assuming limitations of what is possible.
Science guided only by profit is a monetary sense limits itself to a short sided outcome and often has the effect of corrupting and misrepresenting truth.
Science professors should have to disclose what they do not understand before giving us proof of what they do also it would be helpful for them to be honest about the history of scientific Pursuit with a realistic understanding of what is intellectual theft throughout its history.
Finally after all that I've said here at this time I'm looking for more connections to solve the inevitable problem that exists as I see it right now the only course is to collaborate with like-minded individuals who understand that the disclosure of this design must be complete to the largest audience possible.
I thank you in advance for constructive suggestions and hopefully one day making it clear exactly what Johann Bessler discovered.

[Tarsier79]

Hi Stephen. Welcome to Besslerwheel.

Science bases their knowledge, conclusions and "laws" on observations. Yes, there was and will be politically motivated attacks on certain claims, just as there will be from those taught to believe certain things. Based on observation and measurable and repeatable results, any sane person would immediately dismiss anything to do with PM, so I would not blame anyone for doing so/

The amount of power available in Besslers large wheels is calculated to be only about 100W-150W. So I would need about 5 of them to run a decent gaming PC. That isn't to say a working principle couldn't be adapted to be more powerful.

Do you have a physical working model, or only a mathematical one? Math can be made to say a lot if it is used naively. That goes for computer simulations as well. There have been many claims of a working design with no physical proof where the designer has been 100% sure of their design. I have not seen one of them come to fruition.

Good luck.

[StephenG345]

I do have a computer simulation and I constructed it about a year ago my first attempt after having learned the program it was completely successful. Whether you believe it or not the design is completely easy to understand and give enough time anyone with an open mind and the ability to empathize to the way Bessler communicates could come to the same conclusions I'm not saying it was easy by no stretch of the imagination it was not. The bottom line is once you understand what the prime mover is and how it operates the rest of the design will follow. The information everyone seeks they have already seen and the instruction of how to use it is there. The method is used in many machines but not exactly for this purpose Johann Bessler new if anyone would have glanced at it in its orientation in his machine they would then know how it worked.the understanding that Bessler had about the physics involved would move many dates of discovery I am not underestimating the effect it would have on the world there are many who have power today who would not want this to be known and people out of hand reject change however to reject change is to reject life and there is only death if you try to stop change. This information needs to be disseminated the problem isn't the information of how it works. The problem is how to ensure it's success given the history of such beneficial information being lost due to power and greed. I believe it is important to establish a trusted organization of individuals to plan and organize a disclosure to best insure the benefit for everyone. Shirley no one can have a problem with that course of action.

[thx4]

La premiere chose à faire, c'est de réaliser un prototype.
Ensuite le faire répliquer par plusieurs membres, dans plusieurs points du monde. De cette façon l'idée n'appartiendra à personne, comme l'usage d'une vis ou d'un boulon. Pas de monétisation ni même de reconnaissance on s'en fout...
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The first thing to do is to make a prototype.
Then have it replicated by several members, in several parts of the world. This way the idea will not belong to anyone, like the use of a screw or a bolt. No monetization or even recognition, who cares...
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[Sam Peppiatt]

stephen G345,
thx4 is right. You have to build a working wheel. This forum is no different than anyone else--------------------------Sam

[StephenG345]

I am well aware that I have to share this knowledge with others and I have I'm not seeking recognition by anyone to what I already know to be true I am looking for a method that will ensure dissemination of this information it is not my intent to invoke controversy over whether I have or have not achieved understanding. To assume that it should only be one way would be not only illogical but also naive to the facts and circumstances of human nature. since I do not possess the resources at this time to do it on my own to best Ensure it's success I am looking for alternatives it is reasonable that anyone else here who had the design for whatever reason would not post it as easily as you say and Trust that it would be done correctly for example we only have to look at the life of Johann Bessler to understand that individuals have their own agendas and would carry them out without hesitation regardless of the circumstances of others I would think all of you already understand this in studying Johan Bessler's testimony. To entrust someone with this knowledge without knowing anything about them would not only be naive but would all be irresponsible it's far too important then just to gamble with the outcome and risk it being lost by means of delegitimizing and cover up it has to be done on a large scale true enough with overwhelming

[thx4]

@Stephen,
Je suis passé il y a quelques années un peu par le même cheminement. J'étais convaincu d'avoir un modèle fonctionnel (ce ne fut pas le cas), et je ne voulais pas le donner à n'importe qui lol. Ma vision a évolué, déjà sur le concept, personne aujourd'hui ne s'est approché vraiment sur la découverte d'une anomalie physique, je pense qu'il n'y en a pas, et que la roue perpétuelle est une légende. Mais nous pouvons espérer faire une roue qui tourne très longtemps c'est sur ce sujet que je travaille.
Pour la diffusion c'est facile, si tu acceptes qu'un petit chinois te dise que c'est lui qui est à l'origine de la découverte, la tache d'encre va se répandre sur la planète en quelques semaines, le problème de savoir qui l'a fait devient très secondaire.
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@Stephen,
I went through the same process a few years ago. I was convinced I had a working model (I didn't), and I didn't want to give it to just anyone lol. My vision has evolved, already on the concept, no one today has really come close on the discovery of a physical anomaly, I think there is none, and that the perpetual wheel is a legend. But we can hope to make a wheel that turns for a very long time, that's what I'm working on.
For the diffusion it's easy, if you accept that a little Chinese guy tells you that he is the one who made the discovery, the ink stain will spread on the planet in a few weeks, the problem of knowing who made it becomes very secondary.
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[justsomeone]

Hi Steven. Where are you located?

[justsomeone]

You never know, there may be another trusted member near you. Maybe even someone to build it for you.

[Tarsier79]

Hi Stephen

What simulator did you use?

Did you build and test the principle in the real world?

The understanding of how it is possible does not violate any known calculations of motion it does however exposed the mistake of assuming limitations of what is possible.

This confuses me. If it works, it probably violates calculations of motion.

[johannesbender]

Welcome SG345

We have seen many claims and believes , we all went through it and still do , thinking you have something special and knowing by proven fact are two different things (many here have these life lessons learned :) ), I suggest you get to knowing for fact instead of thinking (if you haven't done so already) , or if you just want to share an unproven idea or theory there are many members who would not mind seeing it.

good luck.

[StephenG345]

@Tarsier79
What simulation software do you propose I use and would it make any difference in your understanding of what is true and what it's not?
@ justsomeone
Seriously that's laughable you want to know where I live you sure you wouldn't want to Prime me with some liquor first! I do appreciate the humor you should be doing stand up comedy don't give up easily someday you'll get the timing right I hope!

[agor95]

Hi Stephen. Welcome

Finally after all that I've said here at this time I'm looking for more connections to solve the inevitable problem that exists as I see it right now the only course is to collaborate with like-minded individuals who understand that the disclosure of this design must be complete to the largest audience possible.

I thank you in advance for constructive suggestions and hopefully one day making it clear exactly what Johann Bessler discovered.

Your understanding of the realities for disclosure has been thought about and disgust here in many posts.

To achieve your aim one requires source material to spread to the largest audience possible.
We are talking about drawing, math's, physical builds, computer simulations & computer presentations.

At this time, like now, I am studying the new distributed media server technology.

Regards

[StephenG345]

yes it has been tested in what you call the real world and no it does not violate any calculable forces involving circular motion on the contrary it's configuration and operation can be confirmed without doubt with the known understanding and calculations of circular motion once you understand what the prime mover is and its operation you will also understand why Bessler was so careful to keep it hidden he needed it to be purchased by someone who had the means to protect the understanding to give it the best chance for everyone to understand where it came from. Most people do not realize that even in his time there were those who understood it was possible but like things just the way they were and to them that changed posed a threat to their power.

[agor95]

... what you call the real world ...

Well I have not actually used that phrase, but lets move on.

The needed it to be purchased by someone who had the means to protect the understanding to give it the best chance for everyone to understand where it came from.
Most people do not realize that even in his time there were those who understood it was possible but like things just the way they were and to them that changed posed a threat to their power.

Well here we are understanding that a verifiable solution exists and the release could be a threat to those that are in power.

Therefore you have options.

1. Vanish.
2. find someone with power to protect you.
3. or release to the largest audience possible.

P.S. Put all your original notes, photos, videos, math's proofs and working to get too the solution
in a package
Then post them back to yourself and never open the package. Use copies of the above.
After a month you can make connections to others knowing you can prove you are the originator.