THE wheel fatal flaw that no one notice

[agor95]

Hi All

Just splitting hairs here.

The wheel that no one notices. Well I suppose that the one we are looking for and not found.

But Fatal to who; Will some or thing die?

What is the Flaw that results in the death?

Regards

[Leafy]

Gravity is conservative.

To exploit this conservative force, one has to understand that slowing down in one direction is speeding up in the other direction. This is very useful.

[Leafy]

Suppose you have a train and you try to gain some speed.

You throw the ball from the right and get some recoil speed. Good!

But the ball hit the left end at some time and you lose the speed you gained.

Now what if gravity is from left to right? It slows the ball down. You keep the speed you gained!

[Leafy]

Hi All

Just splitting hairs here.

The wheel that no one notices. Well I suppose that the one we are looking for and not found.

But Fatal to who; Will some or thing die?

What is the Flaw that results in the death?

Regards

Come on Agor, join us on the dark side… I mean God land lol. You don’t even have to be right on this land. God is always away and nobody know his identity anyway. Lol we’re free to party everyday.

[johannesbender]

Hi All

Just splitting hairs here.

The wheel that no one notices. Well I suppose that the one we are looking for and not found.

But Fatal to who; Will some or thing die?

What is the Flaw that results in the death?

Regards

All fatal flaws must be thrown away and buried , if our theory's does not live up to the tests , I guess we cant keep holding on to it , the devils wheel will get you https://youtu.be/zTpouFaBVFs

[WaltzCee]

Thank you for letting me bounce ideas off of you Fletcher. Your analysis is superb. I'm not ready to defend too many of my ideas. If I ever get something to work, . . .

My main point is theories are like noses, they all smell.

. .. .. .
I do Walt .. your theory is that gravity force (mass x acceleration) is not a conservative force, tho mass and acceleration ['g'] do not change. And if you get a device that manifests an unequal force at the axle, and causes it to gain revolutions, then it will prove that gravity force is not conservative.

You'd have a lot of company with that theory Walt.

By a non-conservative force I don't mean like friction, however when looking at friction we know all materials have different coefficients. Then Teflon is beyond weird.

My theory is closer to this:

• Intrinsic to the fabric of 4d time/space is the means/mechanism for it to propagate itself infinitely.

You then suggest q internal masses can be lifted at less cost (shell theory) than the rotational energy and momentum they then by virtue of position impart to the wheel causing a building of imbalance force and further rotation - simile required.

Also you'd have a lot of company there.

dang, guess I'm going to have to go with "like a bat out of hell", but I generally try and not be cliche.

I wonder if your mechanical application 'low cost for high gain' theory is thru breaking the Law of Levers, or something else entirely ?

Archimedes can rest in peace. Newton better look out though.

Regardless .. you have covered off the 2 important areas required.

1. where does the energy come from to be self-moving ? Ans : non-conservative gravity force.
2. a theory is only a theory until a device is built that proves the working theory is correct - the "do the work and build it" POP supporting the theory with irrefutable proof.

Anecdotally most people can get to stage 1. -- but have trouble completing stage 2.

It could be that building skills are not up to the job .. or .. not too many are keen on stress-testing the theory to a physical conclusion.

I have an appointment but I have more to say about this. Thank you for your time, Fletcher.

[WaltzCee]

Archimedes can rest in peace. Newton better look out though.

The law of levers looks at a single frame of time as I understand it, & as far as I can see is irrefutable.

Newton's third law is another matter. I snagged this quote from Kahn Academy

You probably know that the Earth pulls down on you. What you might not realize is that you are also pulling up on the Earth.

Maybe I don't fully understand Newton's third law. I had no idea I was trying to pull the earth up. That should give me a hernia! Playing around with wm2d i discovered what seemed a proof disproving it.

Whether it does or not though it's a useful tool.

[agor95]

All fatal flaws must be thrown away and buried , if our theory's does not live up to the tests , I guess we cant keep holding on to it , the devils wheel will get you https://youtu.be/zTpouFaBVFs

I followed your link and went down the Rabbit hole.
Then I ended up here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvz4MRpq6xs

Regards

[agor95]

Come on Agor, join us on the dark side… I mean God land lol. You don’t even have to be right on this land. God is always away and nobody know his identity anyway. Lol we’re free to party everyday.

Two men [twins] promised when they die they would make contact.
It so happens one went to 'God land' and the other went to were God is not at the other place.

There is an astral phone as it happens.

Brother 1; 'So what is it like in "God land"? For you lived a pious hard working life to get there.'
Brother 2; 'Well I get up before dawn and take in the stars and put out the clouds and sun.
Then I clear up around "God Land" and address peoples request to us from Earth.
Also assist new arrivals until evening. At that time I take in the clouds and sun. Then
put out the stars. I am really tired after doing all that so I sleep until dawn.'
Brother 1;'That does not sound to hard there must be lots of others up there to help?'
Brother 2;'You have to be exceptionally pious and hard working to gain entry into "God Land".
The angles think it to below then to do the menial tasks.
They do take pleasure preventing us doing anything other than our tasks.
They just sit around plying harps badly the rest of the time.
So there is only a handful people here.
What is it like down there?'

Brother 1;'Well there are lots of use here so the menial tasks. You get to do one every thousand years.
It's usually a prank on a person on Earth or making some one suffer here for a day.
The rest of the it's a hoot, party party party.

Well nice to here from you I have things to get up to.'

[johannesbender]

All fatal flaws must be thrown away and buried , if our theory's does not live up to the tests , I guess we cant keep holding on to it , the devils wheel will get you https://youtu.be/zTpouFaBVFs

I followed your link and went down the Rabbit hole.
Then I ended up here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvz4MRpq6xs

Regards

I don't know what to say , I was just joking around haha.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Stephen G345,
I think johannesbender was sincere in his's post, yet you ridicule him. Seams like only a prick would do that------------Sam

[Leafy]

Don’t try to be a hero. I have empathy for the devil too, but I’m staying a light year away from them.

[agor95]

I don't know what to say , I was just joking around haha.

We need a good joke to help life along. The link in effect shows the joke is on us about Q.E.D.

With the originator believing their solution was suspect means there is some give for a better solution.

But not here; lets stick to objects we can build and test.

Regards

[spinner361]

Thank you, WaltzCee, for making that reference to Khan Academy for Newton's Laws of Motion. I really like their explanations.

[Leafy]

Let’s be honest with ourselves.

We want a working model so we don’t have to work hard. Lol