Wasp,
Yes, thank you.
I can see through walls to the hidden things, so watch what you say.
Thanks again.
It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than trying to solely profit
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re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Robert (The Carpenter's Boy)
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Ken, Steve,
Want a simple working WM sim? Try this...
Any size wheel but for now,....
pin a six ft. dia. circle so it can rotate
make a six ft long by one inch wide rectangle and pivot join it to six o'clock at the circle's perimeter, the other end is straight up to twelve o'clock
pin a five lb weight to this rectangle at the twelve o'clock end, cock this weighted arm to one side so it will fall over
pin a five pound weight to the circle's perimeter at three and nine o'clock
set everything to not collide
set friction to zero, and animation step to auto at first, then turn these up gradually......
The "pendulum" will swing continuously, sometimes one way, then it will sometimes go over the top the other way...
enjoy
Want a simple working WM sim? Try this...
Any size wheel but for now,....
pin a six ft. dia. circle so it can rotate
make a six ft long by one inch wide rectangle and pivot join it to six o'clock at the circle's perimeter, the other end is straight up to twelve o'clock
pin a five lb weight to this rectangle at the twelve o'clock end, cock this weighted arm to one side so it will fall over
pin a five pound weight to the circle's perimeter at three and nine o'clock
set everything to not collide
set friction to zero, and animation step to auto at first, then turn these up gradually......
The "pendulum" will swing continuously, sometimes one way, then it will sometimes go over the top the other way...
enjoy
Robert (The Carpenter's Boy)
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
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re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Robert...
I gave it a try, but with the air resistance set to "low" it just slowly dampened its motion. This does not look like it's OU/PM...
ken
I gave it a try, but with the air resistance set to "low" it just slowly dampened its motion. This does not look like it's OU/PM...
ken
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On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Ken, Ralph, Ed, Johnathan, Jim, Wheeler
Make the three and six o'clock weights ten pounds each.
Let it run. Eventually, the arm seems to catch its footing and tips back the other way to start over again.
Here's my favorite...
Six foot arm standing vertical, pivot join to background at bottom end.
Slot joint a five pound weight on the top end and connect to the arm with a spring at the bottom of the weight so as the arm falls downward the weight stretches the spring downwards, then as the arm ascends the weight is pulled back up.
Set spring to about 20 lb/in.
Cock arm slightly so it will fall over...
With animation set to auto, after about fifty swings, the arm will go over and rotate continuously.
As it swings, you can see it getting closer to TDC, then going over
Enjoy
Make the three and six o'clock weights ten pounds each.
Let it run. Eventually, the arm seems to catch its footing and tips back the other way to start over again.
Here's my favorite...
Six foot arm standing vertical, pivot join to background at bottom end.
Slot joint a five pound weight on the top end and connect to the arm with a spring at the bottom of the weight so as the arm falls downward the weight stretches the spring downwards, then as the arm ascends the weight is pulled back up.
Set spring to about 20 lb/in.
Cock arm slightly so it will fall over...
With animation set to auto, after about fifty swings, the arm will go over and rotate continuously.
As it swings, you can see it getting closer to TDC, then going over
Enjoy
Robert (The Carpenter's Boy)
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Hmmmm. Very interesting simulation rks1878! My version won't always spin right around. It depends on where the weight is on the lever arm as it approaches the top. But it does display an interesting concept regarding how a weight...might? Move around within a wheel? I think this deserves further thought! I think this movement would be a perfect one to utilise springs into a wheel. The weights have a natural tendency to be pulled back in on the ascending side.
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Wasp,
Yes.
I posted it because most have never seen a working WM sim. If animation is set higher than 40 it won't work however. I have friction set to real life, with the animation set to auto and it still works though.
But it is interesting to watch.
Perhaps someone could make something of it, I don't know...
I think it is just another example of how wm2d can fool ya.
Yes.
I posted it because most have never seen a working WM sim. If animation is set higher than 40 it won't work however. I have friction set to real life, with the animation set to auto and it still works though.
But it is interesting to watch.
Perhaps someone could make something of it, I don't know...
I think it is just another example of how wm2d can fool ya.
Robert (The Carpenter's Boy)
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
yeah, I don't place a lot of trust in wm2d. Real life motion is far more complex than wm2d can even hope to comprehend. It is a useful tool however and should only be used to get a better understanding of how a concept would behave. We all run into the danger of neglecting a promising design because wm2d say's it won't work! When, by some quirk of nature it just might!
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Am still fooling around trying to get my 6 June idea going.
I think JEEB's wheel had two systems operating together....a little more complex than I thought, one driving the other to the imbalance.
I've chosen one to add underneath my idea.............
It will look "simple", but of the millions of ways to configure things, where'd it come from?
I think JEEB's wheel had two systems operating together....a little more complex than I thought, one driving the other to the imbalance.
I've chosen one to add underneath my idea.............
It will look "simple", but of the millions of ways to configure things, where'd it come from?
Robert (The Carpenter's Boy)
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re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Robert wrote:
ken
That is exactly the conclusion that I have recently come to. I am thinking that his one directional wheels actually had two arrays of moving weights, each shifting the other so that both of their CG's were one the same side of the axle. Sounds simple, but I'm having a LOT of trouble trying to come up with mechanisms that will do it.I think JEEB's wheel had two systems operating together....
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Good luck Ken with that idea.
I'm going with two others. I will be like two brothers working together in there, one big and one little
I'm going with two others. I will be like two brothers working together in there, one big and one little
Robert (The Carpenter's Boy)
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
The Koen machine appears to require an input of wishful thinking.
What energy is there in that?
My modified wheel works on WM, and has 24 weights of varying densities.
I do not have a working physical model of it.
What energy is there in that?
My modified wheel works on WM, and has 24 weights of varying densities.
I do not have a working physical model of it.
Robert (The Carpenter's Boy)
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
I'm believing now, that what observers of JEEB's wheel thought were poles, sliding or rubbing against each other, was actually small link chain going around pulleys!
Robert (The Carpenter's Boy)
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
I am setting up a website.....
www.gravitypoweredwheel.com
It is not ready to be viewed yet.
"I'm surprized noone else thought of it before."
www.gravitypoweredwheel.com
It is not ready to be viewed yet.
"I'm surprized noone else thought of it before."
Robert (The Carpenter's Boy)
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Lots of people have thought of it, but no one can make it work - oh, perhaps you were talking about your domain name :P
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
I thought of making a web site once.
JB Wheeler
it exists I think I found it.
it exists I think I found it.