Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[Sam Peppiatt]

John Collins, I see. What can I say, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong-------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

I'm fairly certain now that Bessler's wheel was driven by heavy rollers. At least the clues seam to fit, if that means anything. However, what is sill unknown is; the separation or spacing, between the two roller casings and also the ratio of the diameter of the rollers to there casings. Unfortunately, this will have to be determined experimentally--------------Sam

[Leafy]

The idea keep stuck in my head about roller and wheel. Have you try something like this Sam?

A roller inside the wheel with a weight attached to it.

[Wassup]

The idea keep stuck in my head about roller and wheel. Have you try something like this Sam?

A roller inside the wheel with a weight attached to it.

That is what I'm building. I already posted that design. If you read when I took the screenshot , 20 Aug 2022.
I had already designed it. You shouldn't post other people's work.
My work is documented on SketchUp. And I have several years worth of work on there. So if my postings get
deleted, SketchUp maintains records. And I can prove my posts get deleted because Google has saved some
of them. If I use Google to search for a thread I posted in, it saves that thread. An example is alcoholic X.O. and
ab hammer. Google saved it but the moderator deleted it. That thread shows I discussed things with people.
After editing, I was being accused of causing me problems. What Google saved shows I followed forum rules
but that forum owners and moderators do not support my pursuit of Bessler's work. That thread both deleted and
its original will most likely be in a Johann Bessler Museum.
https://overunity. com/12597/my-invention/160/wap/
https://overunity. com/12597/my-invention/
Anyone can see that 22 pages were deleted. As for Milkovic's Double Oscillating Pendulum, I did figure out how
to make it perpetual. And once again it is thanks to math. After I am successful with my current build then maybe
thx4 will reconsider my offer to work together on an invention. I did give him an unusual condition.
With that drawing in 2012 I had to use a T-square, paper and pencil. Why the drawing is of poor quality. And yet
over time I considered it.
Yep, Google remembers everything.
And leafy, don't post my work.

AU Revoir Mon Amis!  Накоець мой по друзьы!

[Leafy]

Nice, we have a lot in common.

How did the work go?

Why you think it has potential?

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi Leafy,
If only I could draw you a picture---------------I'll try to describe what Bessler's first wheel was like, or I should say what I think it was like. It was about 4 1/2 feet in diameter and only 4 inches thick. I suspect there were 4 disks maybe two feet in diameter, one at 12,3,6, and 9. If you turned it just right it would resemble a 4 leaf clover. The four disks / weights would roll around inside of a casing of some kind. The disks were the weights. I'm not sure exactly what would happen. My feeling is, the rollers / disks would tend to roll in on the up side and. out on the down side, and once you gave it a push it would never stop. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Any way that's what I'm trying to duplicate. Except I only have two casings and two rollers, one at 3:00 and the other at 9:00. The mechanism, if you will, is only one moving part. About as simple as you can get, if that means any thing. But to answer your question, no, no I haven't. The idea is not to have the casing centered on the wheel, but over to one side or the other then, the weight of the roller turns the wheel------Sam

[Leafy]

Ok wassup, I won’t post your work. I’ll think of other designs. ;)

[Sam Peppiatt]

Bessler claimed that the main part of his invention was similar to a disk / narrow wheel / grindstone. When I first read that, I thought, how can that be? But, once you know how the grindstone worked, it all makes sense, (if I'm right that is). However, I doubt if anyone has figured it out yet.

This also explains the AP wheel; it is simply a disk / roller. Maybe the white was wood and the dark would be the lead--------------------sam

[Tarsier79]

Wassup,

Leafy did not steal your design. The only thing Leafy has done is to be too helpful. You don't own anything and Leafy isn't profiting from a circle with a weight on it. From your post, I am not surprised your thread on overunity was deleted. My first impression of you is that you are a trouble maker. This thread is worse now due to your contribution, and that is a nice way of putting it.

Also, you just posted Veljko Milkovićs work. You are a Hypocrite! I look forward to not hearing from you again.

By the way. Here is the new design I will be working on:

[Wassup]

I'm fairly certain now that Bessler's wheel was driven by heavy rollers. At least the clues seam to fit, if that means anything. However, what is sill unknown is; the separation or spacing, between the two roller casings and also the ratio of the diameter of the rollers to there casings. Unfortunately, this will have to be determined experimentally--------------Sam

A grindstone worked because it uses a treadle. In Bessler's drawing he shows the pendulum working like a treadle.
And Bessler wrote;
Around the firmly placed horizontal axis is a rotating disc (low or narrow cylinder) which resembles a grindstone. This disc can be called the principle piece of my machine. Accordingly, this wheel consists of an external wheel (or drum) for raising weights which is covered with stretched linen.
https://besslerwheel.com/writings/das_triumphans.html

A question for you Sam if you don't mind. How can something like a treadle lift weights when used with a drum?

[Wassup]

Wassup,

Leafy did not steal your design. The only thing Leafy has done is to be too helpful. You don't own anything and Leafy isn't profiting from a circle with a weight on it. From your post, I am not surprised your thread on overunity was deleted. My first impression of you is that you are a trouble maker. This thread is worse now due to your contribution, and that is a nice way of putting it.

Also, you just posted Veljko Milkovićs work. You are a Hypocrite! I look forward to not hearing from you again.

By the way. Here is the new design I will be working on:

I was thinking about moving to Australia and work with Australian scientists on my experiment. I accept what you say.
I would be the problem. I just thought it might help your scientists in understanding why PSCs (polar stratospheric clouds) form.
And it is PhD level research. https://climate-cycling.com/?page_id=33
But what I am also mindful of is if I don't know how to make coffee for guys then I don't know science.
I find it amazing how Australians like ab hammer but don't like me.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Tarsier79,
I think you are right, a roller inside of a drum, (centered on the wheel), has been suggested before. I know Robinhood46 worked on the idea for a long time.

Wassup, I'm surprised you didn't accuse me of something. But, to answer your question. No, a treadle couldn't do that, as far as I know--Sam

[Tarsier79]

I find it amazing how Australians like ab hammer but don't like me.

Oh, its you Langaard. I thought we had attracted another nutcase.

[Wassup]

Tarsier79,
I think you are right, a roller inside of a drum, (centered on the wheel), has been suggested before. I know Robinhood46 worked on the idea for a long time.

Wassup, I'm surprised you didn't accuse me of something. But, to answer your question. No, a treadle couldn't do that, as far as I know--Sam

Tarsier and leaf know I'm building what I posted in here. It became the first image. I will give leafy credit for realizing the idea.
An example, oyvvus said I am copying ab hammer's work so am I going to give him credit? I posted work in 2019 and ab hammer in 2016 in this forum.
In 2013 I posted this on YouTube; https://youtu.be/Z7q1aWS26WM
in 2015 it became this; https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Wk0fjo4Bmtg
So why would I be accused of stealing ab hammer's work for?
And the attached image is what Bessler built. And when 2 forum members said my build looks like ab hammer's, really? They're not trying to give my
work to him? And yet you say your surprised I haven't accused you of trying to steal my work. That's sad when there is an ongoing attempt to give my
work to ab hammer. What prevented ab hammer from working with me? Besides I'm 1/2 Norwegian?
And when I show you 2 attempts to steal my work, you'll ignore that. Why? That's what is wrong with this forum. So much hate and now you agree with them. What happens if I allow ab hammer to build Bessler's Wheel and he won't do it? I have actual work to show. I build what I design.
But I will leave Bessler's Wheel for ab hammer and his friends. And if you guys don't build it then I'll have to say I'm supposed to build and then give my work to ab hammer.

p.s., I could add 4 weights wheels and a round drum with a peacock's tail to lift the top and bottom weights together. I've shown ab hammer how it can be built. Since he wants the credit and it seems enough people wants him to have it, he'll have to build it himself. Then he can say that he realized Bessler's Wheel and not anyone else. With the last wheel shown, instead of the beak, a round drum will work better.

[Fletcher]

FWIW @ ALL .. if you feel the need click on the user name (top right) of anyone you don't want to read - click on "add foe". That user will be on your ignore list and you'll never see them again. An excellent feature.