Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[Leafy]

I have a plan that we all pay a flat rate tax. Rich or poor we pay the same %. Then a good portion of the tax is distributed to every citizen regardless of age. If you can get by with little, good for you. If you want more, work for it.

When I take over the world, I will imposed this plan on every nation. Lol Dictator? I dun care. Lol

[Sam Peppiatt]

Waltcy, Oh! Is that it. It was driving me crazy---------------------Sam

[Wassup]

Still, for the wheel that Bessler got working, I posted it. He wrote his books. So did he use 8 weights or 16? His drawing of Mt 67 shows 12 weights. With 12 weights that'd basically give you 4 1/2 overbalanced weights (doing a little math would go a long way towards understanding this). Then you can cheat the 4 to 1 leverage down to 3 1/2 to 1 or maybe even 3 to 1.
It's not personal Sam but I have spent both money and time to realize Bessler's work and now I know it. Most likely it will be built in Saxony, Germany because it is their history. I let Dr. Jaski know that 1 German and 1 Pole because Bessler was 1/2 Polish and 1/2 German. And they in turn can include people they like. That will be up to them.
With what might be a basic way to put the math is f(x) = ∫ x cos Ø. With the limits for ∫ (limits are placed at top right and bottom right), from what degree of rotation to what degree of rotation. An example from cos 60º to cos30º. Then if it's 15 cos 60 = 7.5 and 15 cos 30 = 12.99.
Then 7.5 + 12.99 divided by 2 = 10.25. A rough average of the torque or counter torque that will be generated by that weight.
Then all you need to do is add the totals on each side then subtract the torque lost to lifting the top and bottom weights. At a 4 to 1 ratio, that is 1/2
the torque of the overbalanced weight going from above to below the level of the axle. That's how torque is"seen".

p.s., Sam, I'm not sure if anyone other than myself works with math a lot.
p.s.s., the math layout, easy way to estimate net torque. With lifting the 2 weights, 1 value of the 30>0 will probably account for that.
It's easy enough for someone to use an online trig calculator if they want. Then they can say I'm wrong or they don't see it. Probably
what the hold up has been, no one likes to consider the math.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Fletcher / leafy / anyone,
I see now why my wheel isn't working. The rollers do shift in and out as predicted, as the wheel turns. However, they remain totally balanced.
The ID of the drum(s) is 9 inches, the OD of the roller,(s), is 7 inches. Both rollers weight 7 lbs. The worst case; is when the drums are vertical, one at 12 the other at 6.

Which means the center of the top roller is 4 inches from the center of the wheel and the center of the lower roller is 6 inches from the center of the wheel yet, and you won't believe it, the wheel stays perfectly balanced! Can any one explain this too me? How can that be? Do you see what I mean? By rights, It should be bottom heavy but it's not, it's balanced----------------------------Sam

[Leafy]

Don’t know Sam, but if it’s unusual, it’s good news.

[Fletcher]

I'd like to help out with some comments Sam, but for the life of me I just can't visualize what you have built.

I know I've said this before but it would be really helpful to either have a drawing or photo pic to look at. Otherwise we reading just words make all sorts of assumptions that can be totally wrong and misleading.

I know I've also said this before .. there must be someone in your household, or a friend, neighbour, mechanic, chauffeur, cleaner, or a complete stranger off the street you can pay, who can show you how to take a photo and load it to your smart phone or lap top as in my case. Or draw something in say free MS Paint and save the file for downloading to your posts. The download is an attachment to your posts.

All of us can talk you thru how to make an attachment to a post once you have a saved file or photo pic to attach to your post. We can even load up screen grabs step by step.

Being able to add attachments will improve ours and your experience beyond measure imo. Then we can probably help explain what's going on and why as we see it.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Leafy, I was thinking the same. Maybe it does mean some thing.

Fletcher, Yes, I will do that. I will try to find some one that knows how to send a picture. Especially now, that I have something that might be meaning full. Just to reiterate; The two drums are old brake drums from a 1967 Ford pickup truck, mounted side by side onto the wheel. With a roller inside of each drum. The rollers are smaller than the drums. When they are at 12 they are closer to the center. When they are at 6 they are farther from the center of the wheel.

I'll find some one to pick on---------------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

Fletcher, I remember now. Part of the problem is how can I send a picture with out an e-mail address? I mean, how can I send a picture to the forum without that? It just seams impossible to me. Anyway, I don't have a clue how to do it---------------------Sam

[Fletcher]

When you come on the forum are you using a smartphone with internet, desktop computer, or laptop etc, with wifi internet connection ?

It's not my area of expertise but will be for others.

AFAIK you don't need an email.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Desktop. No, no Wi-Fi. My computer probably knows how to do it. Maybe I should ask that new website-----------------------------Sam

[Wassup]

When you come on the forum are you using a smartphone with internet, desktop computer, or laptop etc, with wifi internet connection ?

It's not my area of expertise but will be for others.

AFAIK you don't need an email.

Do you know anyone today who is online but does not have an email address? You need one to register for access to this forum.

[Wassup]

Fletcher, I remember now. Part of the problem is how can I send a picture with out an e-mail address? I mean, how can I send a picture to the forum without that? It just seams impossible to me. Anyway, I don't have a clue how to do it---------------------Sam

You registered for access to this forum. That requires an email address. And it's easy to upload an image from your phone.
Mine is pictured. I think it's 500kb. And am sorry for wasting your time.

[mryy]

Fletcher / leafy / anyone,
I see now why my wheel isn't working. The rollers do shift in and out as predicted, as the wheel turns. However, they remain totally balanced.
The ID of the drum(s) is 9 inches, the OD of the roller,(s), is 7 inches. Both rollers weight 7 lbs. The worst case; is when the drums are vertical, one at 12 the other at 6.

Which means the center of the top roller is 4 inches from the center of the wheel and the center of the lower roller is 6 inches from the center of the wheel yet, and you won't believe it, the wheel stays perfectly balanced! Can any one explain this too me? How can that be? Do you see what I mean? By rights, It should be bottom heavy but it's not, it's balanced----------------------------Sam

Is this what you are describing Sam? Happy Holidays everyone! I'm out.

[Fletcher]

Ok .. you're sitting down at a desktop computer. You don't have wifi. So your computer is accessing the internet and this forum, google, You Tube etc, via copper wire and a modem.

I assume your desktop computer is operating on Windows 10 or above etc (doesn't really matter). The point is that it will have directories and places to store files already built in to its hard drive. All you have to do is take a photo on your phone and connect it via your phone charging cable to the usb port on your desktop.

Most people with phones take photos these days. You don't have to email them to yourself (and then save them in a file). You can also download via the cable straight from your phone into your hard drive file i.e. there are 2 methods of saving photos to your computer.

Once someone can help you do that the rest is easy peasy.

[Sam Peppiatt]

That's it, exactly!! That's precisely what I have, Fletcher. Your drawing is actually better than a photograph. So I ask anyone again, how can that be perfectly balanced, as shown? If I wasn't seeing it, I would not believe it.

Oh! mryy, It's your drawing, I thought it was Fletchers. You have it right. It's prefect, freqing prefect---------------------------------------Sam