Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[Leafy]

I just add two pieces of weights, one on top and one on bottom of the roller. No promises.

[WaltzCee]

K, it says the limit is 9 meg.

It's not convenient for me to resize it now, I use to always do that.

It's a simple idea and I can describe it so well most could close their eyes and see it.

ETA

Ok, here's the description.

The premise is the gradient between RKE and translational energy

Begin with a Roberval balance. Pin (ridged) a disc midway to one side below the pan.

Opposite to that side pin (pivoting) an equally sized disc to the upright (below the pan) then another pivoting pin at the CoR.

Questions?

[WaltzCee]

Bump

Pretty soon I'm going to have to go kiss a pretty girl. I'll be off line for a while.

[Sam Peppiatt]

leafy,
I see the weights that you added, not sure------------ maybe. The rollers / weights some how "magically", become balanced at 6:00 and, return to the top of the wheel, with little or no effort. Now, I have to find a way to make the rollers top heavy, when they are at the 12 O'clock position.

I'm not sure about you but, Walt lost me with his description of, what ever it was---------------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

Well Sam, the mass pinned with the ridged pin has no RKE and is weighed against the mass that's free to rotate. You need to pick one side up then start the sim.

The energy accumulates and the balance flips, at least it did when I SIM'ed it.

[Leafy]

Don’t worry about it Sammy. Unless you have some weights and duck tape, I’m not sure how it works either.

[Sam Peppiatt]

At the risk of repeating every thing. Each roller weighs 7 lbs. Together 14 lbs.. The 14 lbs., is located 2 inches below the center line of the wheel / below the axel. I.E., the center of mass is 2 inches below axle. Yet, some how, unbeknown to me, the wheel is perfectly balanced!

This is a total mystery to me; I only wish some one could explain to me how it could possibly do that.

However, the idea now, is to unbalance the rollers some way, so that they will be momentarily top heavy, turn the wheel, then switch back to being balanced at 6:00, so they can return easily to the top------------------------Sam

OK leafy; I don't have to know right?

[Leafy]

Unless we taped it to the position, I’m not sure if it stay balanced, rotates left or rotates right.

[WaltzCee]

Your idea, Sam, is basically a split flywheel. If you spin it up it will hold energy in the rotation of the masses on either side of the CoR (Center of Rotation) with about 1/2 the mass of a flywheel taking up the whole area.

My thoughts were there could be a gradient in those 2 quarters that might be used to power their rotation.

[WaltzCee]

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I feel we've always had the prime move(r). How to lift it back up is the real problem. Maybe I stumbled onto a way to do that. Anyway, I tend to take all of it a little too seriously. Waltcy; please continue to lighten things up and have a prosperous new year---------------------Sam

I agree it is easy to get gravity to make things fall. How do we cycle that falling/lifting.

No one knows and the physicist says it's impossible. Your idea looks like something that might be rotated with less effort over time than the difference in energy between the 2 quarters.

My idea shows their is a gradient between RKE and translational energy, all other things being equal.

[Sam Peppiatt]

waltcy,
Like leafy says; I don't have to know how it, or why, it can stay balanced; instead, just find some way to get a runner-------------Sam

[Leafy]

I thought you know why it balanced from Jonas and Fletchers explanation and pictures.

The reason it’s not balanced because it is not a straight lever. The top roller extend to the right but the bottom roller extended to the left and down. The down part makes it looks longer but it’s a slanted angle lever.

[Leafy]

If you look at this picture, you think it’s bottom heavy but it is perfectly balanced.

[WaltzCee]

yes, the torques of the 2 moment arms are (opposite, yet) equal.

[WaltzCee]

waltcy,
Like leafy says; I don't have to know how it, or why, it can stay balanced; instead, just find some way to get a runner-------------Sam

Everyone approaches it differently, Sam.

Suppose you have an engine that isn't running. You need to know why. Is there spark? etc.

I approach PM the same way.