Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[Sam Peppiatt]

Waltcy, I know; a waste of perfectly good paint------------------------Sam

[Leafy]

SHADOW

You should try to play with different orientations.

[Leafy]

Please ignored it if it confused you.

[WaltzCee]

That would make a cool marble inlay pattern. Intrinsic beauty, I'd call it.

[SHADOW]

Feuillu,
Il faut trouver le bon module de rouage de sorte que l'excentration soit optimale coté descendant, (c'est l'idée!) mais comme dit ValseCee ca peut faire un beau dessous de plats!!
J.B

Feuillu,
You have to find the right gear module so that the eccentricity is optimal downhill, (that’s the idea!) but as ValseCee says it can make a nice bottom!!
J.B.

[Sam Peppiatt]

SHADOW,
It is beautiful! Have you tried a ratio of 2 to 1? I.E., one foot in diameter for the ring and 6 inches for the center gear. Seams like it would come out right. The gear would make two revolutions for one turn of the wheel. The heavy part would always be straight up at 12:00 and 6:00---Sam

[WaltzCee]

C'est non vee!!
C'est double veeeee!!!!!!

I'd call it intrinsic beauty because je ne see pas
any intrinsic principle.

Vous sais?

I hate it when I get all cryptic like that.

[Sam Peppiatt]

FWEIW, Translations. I don't know any thing about German and not all that much about English. This is what bothers me: Reff. Rocky Clues, DT p. 20-21. One translation is 20 lines long, another is only 8 lines, of the same paragraph. How can that be? These translations are so fucked up, you don't know what to believe----------------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

Some things are starting to make sense; to me at least. As follows. The casings / drums are the so called 'prime mover'. They control every thing. The flat place on the drum lifts the weight up at @ 12:00. This is the "upper weight" that Bessler mentioned, which makes the wheel top heavy. The rollers / weights gravitate (down), to the center, I.E., back to balanced; then they climb back up, to the top of the wheel.

The weights / rollers are like a toy wheel that he played with as a kid, (the hoop and stick toy). However, It isn't on the toys page, which kind of screwed things up. Maybe he burnt that page-------------------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

I put some thoughts on your design here

viewtopic.php?p=191986#p191986

If you want to look at them.

back to the batcave !!

[WaltzCee]

Since it's a given the wheel is well balanced, that means one can crank it up with not much effort. I suppose if the 2 masses were different, there might be a useful gradient that could drive the wheel.

Do you think this is a possible way forward with your design, Sam? I suppose it would be quite a puzzle that way but doable. --++++++++Walt

[Sam Peppiatt]

Waltcy,
No, I don't think so. The concept is more archaic than that. The weights have to shift in and out, in order for the wheel to turn. I think it will eventually demonstrate how Bessler's wheel worked. At least it's starting to look that way.

I was able to gave it a try earlier today. The flat section lifts the rollers up nicely, about an inch. Once they get onto the flat area, they roll out very fast and bang against the side of the casing with a loud noise. I want to install a leaf spring to cushion the impact. It might add some torque as well. If it still doesn't go; the next step will be to add a third drum and roller. The rollers are 7 pounds, which is quite a bit of weight.

But Waltcy, back to your question, what I'm trying to do, I'm afraid, is much more mundane; then to try and spin it up some how-----------Sam

[WaltzCee]

• But Waltcy, back to your question, what I'm trying to do, I'm afraid, is much more mundane; then to try and spin it up some how-----------Sam

There are 2 reasons to spin it up, Shammy. The first reason is to see if it behaves as you imagine it should. or, Does it do what it was designed to do?

If it passes that criteria, then how much energy can it produce? Is that energy sufficient to cause it to spin itself up?

I think your more mundane approach is a path well traveled. That path has a known destination

Best of luck, yet I'm not too hopeful.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Waltcy, I have my doubts too. I spin it a little bit by hand. I thought you meant; rotation alone might work, to keep it going some how. If I give it a spin the rollers fly out and hit the casings with a load bang. I think you are right, gravity by its self won't do much. The down force is always equal to the up force. The harder I spin it, the harder the rollers hit. Maybe with a leaf spring, some of that energy can be used to turn the wheel. Maybe that's part of the equation. I'm not sure. I'll try a spring to see if that will help. It might help to lift the rolled too.

Also, I think it resembles a lot of the information describing Bessler's wheel, if that means any thing. It's true, I still have to lift the weights up about an inch. But, the drums lift the weights up about 16 inches. That's the big difference----------------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

• I still have to lift the weights up about an inch. But, the drums lift the weights up about 18 inches. That's the big difference

So in spite of the 18", you're one inch short? Am I reading that correctly? Is that ' the big difference' ?