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Tarsier79 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:22 am I don't think it will be a great flywheel.
I normal flywheel has only 1 moving part. This flywheel is more complicated with 4 moving parts. More prone to failure.

Yet also more versatile. At a large scale, the 3 weights could drive hydraulic pumps used to acuate motion or store energy in hydraulic springs. The faster it turns, the more energy. Hydraulic logic could be used to impart some semblance of intelligence.

Everyone knows how to make a stupid wheel.

Disconnecting the flywheel from its CoR increases functionality if you ask me.

Some of my thinking is about what to do with a PM wheel because as I see it, it's just a matter time. If anyone makes one before me, I'm going to make you famous.
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2 years is better than 54 days, so how do you think it works? Batteries ? Light? pressure? Heat? all or none or some combo of the above?
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The main thing , I think , is the time limit after which every time it needs to be "serviced" , sounds like if it is using heat/pressure or some natural type of source it might just be a "filler" for stretching out run duration , and that there is something else as a primary source in it that runs down which would explain it having a limited time .

The fact that it didn't stop running when adam slightly knocked it , kind of makes me think its under more or less constant force from its source.
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They made good batteries in the 80’s. But it seems too obvious to me, that could be a distraction as well as the copper piping and the light box.
It doesn’t say it is, but it must be in a vacuum. The bearings aren’t magnets which would enable it to run even longer without slowing down.
If it used heat, I think it would run on the temperature of the storeroom for longer than two years if it was engineered well.
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The bike wheel is equivalent of 1/10 kg moving at 1/3 m/s.

The kinetic energy is 1/20 x 1/10 = 1/200 joules. It runs at about 5 milliwatts

2 years are roughly 63 million seconds

.005 x 63 mil = 300000 joules of energy.

Friction is the cost which is 2%. 300000x.02 = 6000 joules

The wheel needs 6000 joules to run for 2 years.

1 AA battery is 15000 joules.

1 AA is good for more than 2 years.

Replace battery every 2 years lol
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We should put weights randomly on the roller and measure how far the wheel turns.
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But if you were going to use a battery wouldn’t you use a bigger longer one to make it seem even more perpetual?
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I think its a clever disguised motor like adam also thought , i think things were just made to look different than what they actually are , the pipes could be concealing wires , the "magnets" could be coils and/or perhaps contain infrared sensors (the type that checks line of sight and senses a break in line of sight) to switch polarity, the spokes could be magnetic or the boxes could be magnets , the box with the heatsinks can be a battery pack that gives off heat (try to prevent fires by cooling it) , the box in the middle might be what determines the when to switch polarity...

Its interesting to think that what if a model from bessler might have ended up there instead.
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It was clever to put it together that way. I guess we’ll never know for sure though.
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as i look at Fletcher's animation

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It seems evident there's enough energy in the rotation of the 3 masses to lift 1/3 of the wheel's mass and cause it to be perpetually imbalanced.

Anyone else see that?
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Nope, the top mass get a good gain but the left mass will pay the same amount.
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eccentrically1 wrote: They made good batteries in the 80’s. But it seems too obvious to me, that could be a distraction as well as the copper piping and the light box.

It doesn’t say it is, but it must be in a vacuum.

The bearings aren’t magnets which would enable it to run even longer without slowing down.

If it used heat, I think it would run on the temperature of the storeroom for longer than two years if it was engineered well.
David Jones admits it's a fake and has lots of distractions. IOW's energy is supplied to it. The people who did know the secret were a little disappointed knowing it, suggesting it was a little run of the mill.

It is not enclosed in a partial vacuum because the pictures of 2 previous machines appear to be based on the same principle (with the same componentry) but were in open air.

To me it seems to have a very consistent angular velocity (like driven by a motor and batteries would have). If someone had good software they could analyse the frame rate to see if it speeds up and slows down cyclically, or is at one constant speed. That might give an important clue to what is driving it.
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I see what you mean. Yes, it may run in Sim and the effect maybe real but I doubt it’s strong enough in real machines.
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The box in the middle might be a type of disguised metal detector circuit that switches the polarity , just random thoughts...
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Leafy wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:31 pm Nope, the top mass get a good gain but the left mass will pay the same amount.
too technical.
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