Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[Sam Peppiatt]

Waaaltch, What can I say, you do make it sound good so, what the heck, you have to pump it up-------------------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

Waaaltch, What can I say, you do make it sound good so, what the heck, you have to pump it up-------------------------Sam

"all the inmost parts, and the perpetual-motion structures, retain the power of free movement, as I've been saying since 1712." - AP pg 295*

no matter what the course is, Sam, it has to be free to move. rapidly move, semi-instantaneously

[WaltzCee]

I have done the math, grasshopers



The future is grim. or not, depends if the circle goes clockwise or anti-

There are options. Thinking caps back on

[WaltzCee]

just to help refocus those following the design objectives:

• How can this effect be:
  
  • Exasperated?
  • Harvested?

I think these are realistic design objectives.

A fork in the road, store or use this 5th derivative power? redirect the power? in the moment? or store it first?

• How to crack the whip? That's a question.

Where's Frank Grimmer when you need him?

[Leafy]

Oh… I get it now….

Come on, clockwise? Anti clockwise? 30% friction? Perfect circle?….

I don’t even want people soul, people pay so they don’t feel in debt. Lol

[Leafy]

Alright,

Let’s have some homo sapiens - Homo sapiens talk.

Am I the devil? I … don’t know. I think the devil is not that smart, not saying I am. The devil scares of making mistake and the devil is scare of shame. Not saying I’m shameless, just no devil lol

[Leafy]

If you’re expecting the second coming of Jesus… I just don’t think he’s here.

He needs at least 5-10 years building up his reputation then come challenge me on centrifugal force. It’s kinda late to start now. Lol

[Sam Peppiatt]

Tri-roller update. Reff. page 46, ( Fletcher drawing). I sawed out a corner of the brake drum, (5 1/2") @ 80 degrees, to form a new flat section 5" long. It will still lift the roller up about 1/8 inch, (.125"). However this is about 6 times better than before. Have to do the other one and try it again. Anyway, it should be a lot better-----------------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

Frank cites these Bessler quotes

The following quotes are where the word spring occurs in Collins' book.

The first test was presided over by Dr. Johann Georg Pertsch, Sr. (1651-1718), 'poet laureat'. The value of the president as a practical scientist is doubtful, but we have no reason to doubt his trustworthiness as an impartial observer. The
test took place on the 9th October 1712 and was witnessed by various local notables. The certificate reads thus: -

'The long-sought after and desired Perpetuum Mobile has been invented and constructed recently, through God's grace, here in Gera. It is a unique and highly useful machine that rotates without any external weights, wind, water, or spring mechanisms. It has its own quite extraordinary internal Motus Perpetuum that not only maintains, moves and turns it round continuously, but also it is able to drive easily other machines for which a great force is necessary, for example water works, mills and similar. It has become quite famous, against expectations in all neighbouring towns. In addition, news has come that so-called friends intend to steal, at the earliest opportunity, the secret of this machine in order to construct it themselves. They have already begun to attempt to secure their rights to it in another manner.

'I conclude, not only from this but also from other circumstantial evidence, that the weights are attached to some moveable or elastic arms on the periphery of the wheel. During rotation, one can clearly hear the weights hitting against the wooden boards. I was able to observe these boards through a slit. They are slightly warped. When he put the wheel onto another support and reinstalled the weights in their previous positions, he pushed down on an iron spring that gave a loud noise as it expanded upwards. I therefore presume that there is no doubt that the wheel is moved by an internal source of power, but we cannot necessarily assume that it is perpetual. Furthermore, the machine may be of little value to the public unless it can be improved. At the moment it can lift a weight of sixty pounds, but to achieve this the pulley had to be reduced more than four times, making the lifting quite slow. The diameter of the wheel is about twelve feet, and as well, the bearing was quite thin, about one quarter of an inch and only a sixth of its length was subject to friction.'

The article, An Account of the Perpetuum Mobile of Johann Ernst Elias Orffyreus, consisted of a brief resume of the story so far, including the actions of the 'Gärtner gang' and their claims that a man was secreted in a hidden chamber, and that he was the real motive force for the Orffyrean machine. The article recounts the inventor's various actions, his constant improvements to the wheel, and the fact that he 'silenced his critics, not by words but by deeds'. The previous tests are covered, and mention is made of the illustrious examiners present. It is stated that 'Orffyreus did not attempt to conceal the fact that his machine is set in motion by weights'. The author goes on to 'conclude from circumstantial evidence that the weights were pierced in the middle and attached by connecting springs'.

He publicly thanks him for 'restoring to me a measure of all the honour and means I had lost in my native country'. He describes how he began to build a new wheel, making it larger than the others and explains that the 'inward structure of the wheel is of a nature according to the laws of perpetual motion, so arranged that certain disposed weights once in rotation, gain force from their own swinging, and must continue their movement as long as their structure does not lose its position and arrangement. Unlike all other automata, such as clocks or springs or other hanging weights which require winding up or whose duration depends on the chain which attaches them, on the contrary these weights are the essential parts and constitute perpetual motion itself; as from them is received the universal movement which they must exercise so long as they remain out of the centre of gravity; and when they come to placed together, so arranged that they can never obtain equilibrium, or the punctum quietus which they unceasingly seek in their wondrous speedy flight, one or another of them must apply its weight vertically to the axis, which in its turn will also move'.

Yet begins with a search of

By introducing a second 360° pendulum on can harvest the third derivative energy with a spring between them.

the third derivative energy.

Not only is Frank s degreed engineer, he's published.

yep a real scientist. the third derivative energy, I thought 5th, but what do I know.

[WaltzCee]

If you’re expecting the second coming of Jesus… I just don’t think he’s here.

He needs at least 5-10 years building up his reputation then come challenge me on centrifugal force. It’s kinda late to start now. Lol

it looks like some one took off their thinking cap.

[Fletcher]

Tri-roller update. Reff. page 46, ( Fletcher drawing ). I sawed out a corner of the brake drum, (5 1/2") @ 80 degrees, to form a new flat section 5" long. It will still lift the roller up about 1/8 inch, (.125"). However this is about 6 times better than before. Have to do the other one and try it again. Anyway, it should be a lot better-----------------------Sam

If you can draw and post it Sam then I may be able to sim it - depending on the shape etc.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi Fletcher, I've been out. Sure; it's very simple. See how the flat is raised up from the bottom of the casing? The idea is to just lower that to the very bottom of the casing. Here are the numbers: Flat 5 inches long. One inch left of center and 4 inches to the right. To do that you have to whack off the lower right hand part of the casing; It winds up with a square corner. This way you don't have to lift the roller up.

When I first put the flat in, I had no idea what I was doing. The plan was to make the wheel top heavy, which turned out to be the wrong thing to do. That's how I found out about the roller rolling down hill, which now provides a way to drive the wheel.

Looks like the rings would have to spread apart a ways, not sure--------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

Fletcher,
If the flat section is up an inch from the bottom of the ring, it, the flat needs to be lowered an inch. So that the roller can roll to the right along the flat before it hits the side of the ring. For CW rotation. This way, the roller isn't forced to be lifted up. The way it is now, because of the flat, it has to lift up about an inch, which causes a lot of back torque. If the flat could be lowered it would prevent any back torque.

What else can I say? The lower right side of the casing will be straight up and down. I.E., instead of curved, the way it is now. From 3:00 to about 6:00 the casing is in the shape of a square instead of round. I don't know how else to describe it--------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

Fletcher, Here's the way I made the 'flat'; it is 1/8 of an inch above 6:00, 1 inch to the left and, 4 inches to the right of 6:00. If you could redo it that way, it might run----------------------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

time doesn't change, Sam



no matter how you slice it or dice it, unless you gear different powers to each other, gravity is conservative. Frame of reference shifting, or stretching or compressing.

Who knows

Time is invariant, they say. You need the up in a flash technology.