So both lever fall on both sides 22.5 degrees after they fall they are in pink. It's a rough drawing. I just thought of the idea. No time for preparing a good presentation. There is a fixed 200 circumference wheel at the end of one of the colored levers and a rotating 50 circumference wheel with a lever attached at the end of one lever. When the weight falls down on the left 22.5 degrees it will turn the falling lever on the right or its lever 90 degrees. Then the inertia will pull the lever the rest of the way out to its position shown with the pink parts on the right side. This might follow Bessler's clue that it applies force at 90 degrees to the axis because the weight being flipped on the right is only given 90 degrees of force and the rest is inertia to move it into position. It would probably shift the weights in an earlier position than the horizontal positions that I've drawn. Maybe it would shift when the left side is at 45 degrees or it could depending on how long the lever being shifted is. I think that while both levers are falling 22.5 degrees that they are suspending themselves a little and not applying force on the wheel maybe. So they are shifting positions independent of the wheel. This might make a difference maybe. Since the right side is dragging the left side by a string until the left side can flip the lever and reduce tension. I think so. Get in on this. New idea!
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain
I was rotating the lever too far. It can sit at 90 degrees and it would be more closely balanced to the weights on the left side before it's twisted to the far right position.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain
I have it so that it would turn CCW. When the right angle falls it applies an impact on the wheel while it is lifting the other weight inward creating angular momentum that speeds up the weight and lightens the load. The lightened load from angular momentum and the impact from gravity together creates an overbalance. Repeated impacts would create work using gravity.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain
The pink lines should be where the levers go if the top right angle can lift the bottom lever but it can't because it's 4:1 gear ratio. In order to get the lever up there needs to be enough angular momentum from the weight being pulled in to lighten the load. I don't know how to calculate that but I know that it exists. So if the wheel is turning fast enough it will be able to lift the lever up, probably, because it can be lifted some and it would gain angular momentum to lighten the load.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain
The levers on the left hang down giving more weight on the left side. When the weights shift position at the top and bottom they are independent from the wheel, they are reloading each other, the wheel is not reloading anything. The top part of the mechanism should fall faster than the wheel is turning and the bottom part of the mechanism should be sliding from right to left along the bottom but it has some momentum which provides angular momentum to lighten the load. Johann Bessler said how can you lift 4 with 1? Well you could lighten the load with angular momentum by pulling the load inwards on a wheel while it's moving. Does my drawing make sense how I drew it? The center gear is attached to the arm of the right angle and the small gear connected by the string to the center gear is connected to the rotation of the arm of the bottom lever to bring it to a right angle.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain
This design is a lot like my original line of thinking when I joined the forum a long time ago, back when Jim_Mich was around and was the most helpful guy on the forum. Well back when I first joined I claimed to think that I might have already made the working design when I was a kid but I forgot it. I believed for some reason that pushing down on a right angle gave a mechanical advantage in lifting something. That's exactly what this design does but it's the angular momentum at the bottom that gives the real mechanical advantage (if this works). I was sometimes criticized for focusing on the Swastika in my designs by like rlortie. But what if I was right all along? What if I always had the answer, and I am just some lone wolf mad scientist that got hit on the head? I don't know if this drawing would work. I think it would be really cool if it did though because it might be evidence that I've always been right about my line of thinking from the very beginning. I recently saw the bloody mary tik tok Wednesday Addams dance. I've been feeling both good and bad. I could be better. If one of you thinks that my design might work that would be exciting! Any thoughts on this?
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain
The weights need to hang on the left to be over balanced but the ratchet that could be used would go in the opposite direction. So I need a temporary set of pegs on a gear. The peg needs to stop working to allow the next peg to take its place. I don't know how to do this. This might be a reason why this has never been seen in nature because it needs ratchets and reversible pegs.
I think that the peg could be controlled by a spring and the spring could rewind itself by rotating like some wrist watches do. I drew where the pegs would be on the gear but I don't know how to get them to stop working and allow the next peg to work.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain
The core concept that I'm getting at here with these drawings is not my quality drafting skills which are impeccable (sarcasm) but it's that the angular momentum can be targeted at lifting a weight upwards if it is whip lashing on a lever. Thanks to Shadow I modified how a stork's bill could be used to push against gears/axles of the lever. It took some mental gymnastics but this the way that I've drawn it should allow a mechanism at the bottom of the wheel to lift a lever up and less force than would normally be required to lift the lever up can exist because of angular momentum. It's the force saved that will cause over unity. People try to use angular momentum for angular momentum sake sometimes to turn a wheel faster but that is a like an ice skater. Have you ever considered angular momentum like a punch like swinging a punch like Chuck Liddell? You can carry a load with angular momentum not just increase a speed. Angular momentum can help lift the weights that we are trying to overbalance. Please questions. I am not the best. Or am I? but What can i do for you. We are all in this together. Talk to me.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain
From the design point of view not the conceptual point of view I should have put the stork's bill falling towards the left instead of the right because the wheel is turning CCW and if I have it moving towards the right to push the bar against the gears it would lose all torque as the wheel turns on its side. So I corrected it with this image. THE THING that makes this become over balanced is that the stork's bill does not have enough force to lift the lever if the wheel were static only if it were moving because of angular momentum. The angular momentum is not causing the wheel to spin faster, it's causing just the lever to spin faster or specifically the weight to move faster upwards making it lighter. I actually chatted online with who I think was Chuck Liddell year 2001 and angular momentum and perpetual motion machines was a topic then too. So it's funny the same conversation that I could have had then is so similar to the solution since this is definitely the solution. You guys aren't as excited as you should be. We did it boys. Real perpetual motion concept found! I think my biggest weakness is my intellectual difficulties right now so my math and drafting skills could use some training. You guys are so devoted I don't see why you couldn't design several strange mechanisms that could utilize my concept here. Now that I think about it, this design and my previous one trying to utilize the concept I speculate that they aren't super efficient. I don't know the best way to utilize this concept.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain
The right angle shaped kind of like a swastika is the best way to use angular momentum (I think). It gains angular momentum through the whole swing of the lever which is positioned near the bottom of the wheel so that it would push that angular momentum upwards to lift the weight. I'm guessing that the stork's bill can be just strong enough to lift it halfway or a quarter of the way and it would swing the rest of the way by itself with angular momentum helping. This drawing is also beneficial because before the top lever and the bottom lever are complimentary to the wheel turning CCW before the lever reloads. What I mean by that is that the top lever is in an overbalanced position before it becomes a balanced position with the bottom lever when the bottom lever reaches its reload section. I think that I've always been aware of this swastika overbalanced wheel that I've just had memory loss about it. It is clearly what I was looking for when I initially joined the forum that I had forgotten about from when I was a kid. But wait a second guys. Am I jumping the gun here? Do you even think that angular momentum can help lift a weight? Am I completely delusional about that? Man I must have overlooked something really obvious for nobody else to be interested in this idea. I must be stupid.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain
What I need to learn now is how to calculate a Stork's bill to begin to understand how much overbalance I will achieve with my angular momentum and this design. I began by calculating my measurement of how much distance I am getting with the stork's bill and how big the gear is on the lever. I want to know how much weight I need on the stork's bill to lift the lever up halfway in a static position. I think that the moving lever is variable that if it moves fast enough it will have enough angular momentum to move the other half way up to position. So I can just add more speed if it's not lifting to position all of the way with a lesser speed. Bessler said that it required a light push on some wheels, right? So maybe it wasn't super overbalanced because in other statements some wheels exploded out of control. So it's possible to create too powerful of a wheel. The over balance should come from how much force we save from angular momentum. So the more speed needed to cause the lever to position itself from the angular momentum the more unstable and fast it will become probably.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain
My measurements were all goofy. I've made it so that the stork's bill pushes the lever at 1:1 ratio by making the gear the size of the lever. That would give the stork's bill's mechanical disadvantage only which might be 0.7^4th approaching 1 the further the stork's bill collapses. So the maximum the weight can be in a static position on the lever is 1 to turn the lever full 90 degrees. I think that I can do a little better with angular velocity or angular momentum. I don't know how much the angle changes with the path that I have drawn but if it's about 1 degrees every 22.5 degrees the lever turns then speed x would double four times by the time it gets to a right angle position for the lever. If it doubles just twice I can have enough to lift 4x the weight into position. So if every 45 degree turn I get a change in 1 degree I can lift the 4x heavier weight up to 90 degrees (I think). However when I look at calculations they don't calculate force but just speed. Speed should equal force in this situation because I'm not driving the wheel; I'm lifting a weight into position. The weight on the lever being lifted into position is moving forward before the wheel pushes on it and it's not pulling on the wheel only on itself, so I'm putting the horse before the carriage, it might mean I don't know, I think that I heard that somewhere.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain
SWASTIKA. The Swastika wheel uses angular velocity to help lift the weight back into the right angle position. This version of the swastika wheel uses stork's bills to make the lever go up into place at the bottom. Welcome to Greek mythology boys. I am Hermes (I think).
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain
The stork's bill in green does not move towards the right only the left. So when ti's turning into position it doesn't apply any drive to lift the weight until the bottom lever is near the bottom. This allows the swastika to get into a burst of over balance as the top left weight and the bottom left weight on the left are both out weighing the only top right weight on the right temporarily. Then as the stork's bill lifts the weight back up to a right angle the bottom left weight descends as the wheel turns being over balanced compared to the top right weight. So it has a burst of overbalance plus a gradual over balance after that. This is a very direct and efficient over balance wheel attempt. It should work. Even if angular velocity weren't helping, and it is, it should still work. There is extra more than necessary torque with two weights on the stork's bill to lift the weight up and the weight difference between the stork's bill is very mild. It is something though but the burst of over balance that I talked about should be more than enough to overcome it. The whole extra weight at full distance on the left should give a good burst of overbalance that would help drive the wheel. The wheel should reach a maximum speed slowed down by the stork's bill not being able to fall fast enough to bring the weight back up to a right angle causing the wheel to keel on the right when the lever is extended too far. The wheel should be moving very fast then.
Why can't the swastika be Bessler's wheel? He says it applies force at right angles to the axis. This has to be the most famous right angle symbol in the world. And this is a very direct and practical over balance position for a wheel to be in if you look at it. The bottom left right angle hangs down while it turns creating over balance and then it has a full extra weight at full distance before being able to lift the weight back to a right angle position. Cudos to SHADOW for getting me interested in stork's bills for improving the swastika design. I think it's possible the best way to do it.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain
Hi preoccupied,
I worked with the swastika quite a bit. I can't remember how I slid the weights. I know it wasn't with SBs. What I wanted to say is; I think it was the lower leg, I got the Robel Balance effect. Instead of being OOB as I expected, the dam thing was balanced! Anyway, FWEIW that was part of the problem with it--------------------------------Sam
