Q. for John C, Ovyyus, Others

[Fletcher]

Re Confirmation of Bessler Statement.

Somewhere in the recesses of my mind is a memory of a thread a few months back. Something supposedly said that was attributed to JB?

Something about JB saying he could control the speed & power of the wheel by increasing or decreasing the number of "Cross-Bars" (the translation from German was not exact in this regard as I remember - could have been "Crosses" (as in crusifix)).

Can you give me his exact words regarding this in English & German.

He may have said that he could increase both "speed & power" by increasing no. of cross members ?

Interesting i.e. if he was saying that to increase power then speed must increase too & visa versa. They are not separate functions but dependant.

Thanks Fletcher

[Fletcher]

Sorry Guys,

Something is having a hernia here this morning. Posted twice for some reason & I can't edit from this end.

[John Collins]

Hi Fletcher,

My English translation went like this:-
"I make my wheels in such a way that, big or small, I can make the resulting power small or big as I choose. I can get the power to a perfectly calculated degree, multiplied up even as much as fourfold. If I arrange to have just one cross-bar in the machine, it revolves very slowly, just as if it can hardly turn itself at all, but, on the contrary, when I arrange several bars, pulleys and weights, the machine can revolve much faster"

The original German went like this:-
"Es sei ein Rad groß, als es will,
Kann ich auch wenig, mehr und viel
(Als quadratim) multiplizieren
Die Force, und auskalkulieren.x.
Denn wenn ich mache hier bereits
In ein Werk gleichsam nur ein Kreuz,
So wird man es ganz langsam sehen
Kaum von sich selber herum drehen;
Hingegen, wenn ich zugericht’t
Viel’ Kreuze, Zge und Gewicht’,
So kann das Werk viel schneller laufen;"

John Collins

[Fletcher]

Thanks for your effort John :-) That was useful. I believe they are dependant i.e. slow rpm necessitates low power/torque, high torque requires high rpm. Fits with what I have in mind, hmmm. Will give it some more thought.

Cheers Fletcher

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Fletcher,
not slow, or fast is the key. It is the number of hits per revolution. The oscillation frequence is responsible for high torque and high rpm. If inner mechanism and outer wheel have the same speed, no trouble force can act. As showed with COG the inner mechanism is faster than the outer wheel, because the mechanism is tilting. The speed of tilting is limited to gravity. So also the speed of the outer wheel is limited. To increase power, it is necessary to increase the diameter of the wheel. Power is increasing with diameter, Bessler said. Why ? Because the fall way is longer !!

Hope this supports you

Best regards

Georg

[Oystein]

My translation :

It is a large wheel, when it wants.
I can also make it little, more or much (following the Square Law),
multiply the Force, and calculate X
Because if I make a construction with only one cross,
one will see it completely slow, hardly turnin around by itself.
However, if I adjusted much crosses, course (pulley? guides? or direction?) and weight :
The construction can run much faster !

From this it could be that the most of the interior you need is pictured
in the wheel drawings..?

A cross / pendulum-like thing, a pulley, and a bigger weight (in a box, hanging straight down out the window)
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By the way :
I tested and it seems like a bigger wheel will have the same RPM as a smaller wheel, if the weight of the flywheel is the same, and the weight of the weights are propotional to size of the wheel !!
(As Bessler stated)

Meaning that a 1 meter diamater wheel with 1 kg weights, will from unbalance turn / accelerate with same speed/RPM as a 2 meter diameter wheel with 2 Kg weights. As long as the flywheel / grindstone / construction has the same weight.


Øystein

[John Collins]

Hi Oystein,

I notice that you included the "X" in your translation - I should point out that there are in excess of 600 X's in Apologia and they do not seem to have any function. I'm not sure that this particular "X" should be part of the translation. It has been suggested that they were used for emphasis, but the placement of them does not support this. The use of X's in any of his other works was abandoned - there are none.

I have surmised that they formed some part of a code but there is no supporting evidence for this, although there is undoubtedly a code of some kind present in Apologia.

John Collins