Global Energy Prize

[eccentrically1]

But a spring can store precession energy (3rd derivative energy) on the downward stroke of a pendulum and release it on the upward stroke. This is how a Kiiking rider gets himself to go over the top. In his case the spring is the muscles in his legs and arms.

A load of BS.We don't need imaginary energy to power someone on a swing. A person on a swing, or kiiking lifts their COM (PE) by shifting their body weight. Gravity adds velocity to the rider, trying to push him downwards, then the rider lifts himself again.

Springs store potential energy but don't make it over the top on the first try. Each time your pendulum swings, it stores less potential until it's gone. Kikkers don't get over the first try either but they are adding kinetic energy to their potential, until the magic happens.

[Senax]

Springs store potential energy but don't make it over the top on the first try. Each time your pendulum swings, it stores less potential until it's gone. Kikkers don't get over the first try either but they are adding kinetic energy to their potential, until the magic happens.

Good point eccentrically1. The weight would have to start at 12 and the spring would have store sufficient energy to take it over the top. One needs a pendulum with minimum losses by friction from the pivot and air resistance.

I imagine enclosing it in a reduced air pressure case and using a ballrace for the pivot would get the pendulum bob close to the vertical.

Of course if one doesn't realise that a 360° pendulum changes its angular velocity (acceleration towards the centre) around its circular path then there is no change in acceleration and no precession energy generated.

[Senax]

Yeah I say its fake (i would have to be a monkeys uncle to believe that video)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkA1Pio7aVg

I must be a monkey's uncle then because I believe it and will continue to do so until some demonstrates it to be a fake. The existence of that cam is just too reminiscent of a pendulum for me.

Moreover I now see that I don't have the spring on the bob but I can use a cam at the axle as he does.
Just shows how useful Forum discussion is. It takes a grain of irritating sand ;o) to generate a pearl.

[Tarsier79]

If the Dominant flywheel was powerful enough to spin itself (it is not), the principle of operation could be scaled up.

[Senax]

If the Dominant flywheel was powerful enough to spin itself (it is not), the principle of operation could be scaled up.

I think it is and it can be so we will agree to differ, eh!
I take it that you don't believe in the existence of precession energy.

I had dissembled my Ferris wheel but Edwin has kindly offered to rebuild
it for me so I shall have a go at replicating the Dominant Flywheel.

If I succeed the forum will be some of the first to know. :o)

[eccentrically1]

I’ll believe in precession energy when your pendulum gets over the top in a reduced air pressure case on a ballrace pivot released from 12 with a sufficient spring.
Keep us updated.

[Fletcher]

If I succeed the forum will be some of the first to know. :o)

How about letting us know if you don't succeed .. then we may all learn something either way ..

Looks pretty straight forward ..

A small flywheel on good bearings
A cam attached to the axle (could be improved with a rotating sleeve or bush - bearings even better) and always in contact with the spring
A leaf spring in contact with the cam
A position adjustable weight to set resonance i.e. flywheel rpm wanted

So you give the flywheel a spin up CCW and the cam pushes down the spring and sweeps around and closer to where the spring is attached to its stand changing the leverage applied factor at point of contact - then it has enough momentum to go past bdc and as it escapes the spring gives the cam a push upwards and around. Rinse and repeat without the initial push start.

Q's. Can the Dominant flywheel "work" either CCW or CW ? Does it make any difference ?

[gravitationallychallenged]

One thing we know for certain, the Dominant Flywheel wasn't the configuration Bessler used to power his wheels. The simplest way a 'splendid mechanic' can make a lighter weight lift a heavier weight is by utilizing mechanical advantage provided by a device such as a compound lever.

[Senax]

If I succeed the forum will be some of the first to know. :o)

How about letting us know if you don't succeed .. then we may all learn something either way ..

If I don't contact the forum then you will know I haven't yet succeeded.

If anyone wants to try it for themselves eitech Ferris wheels are available from
https://www.mart4uk.co.uk/products/eite ... 033464.htm

and no, I have no connection with mart4uk

[Senax]

I’ll believe in precession energy when your pendulum gets over the top in a reduced air pressure case on a ballrace pivot released from 12 with a sufficient spring.
Keep us updated.

I will only go to those extreme measures if the pendulum rises to a greater height with the spring in operation than without the spring in operation.

As I commented on my previous "successful design". You can't be a little bit pregnant.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 22abfb9d6

[Senax]

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 22abfb9d6

I've just re-read the whole thread.http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... d6#p84420
I particularly liked the last post.

[Senax]

https://www.youtube.com/@clovisenergyfree1367

The Dominant Flywheel seems to have changed hands.

[agor95]

If the Dominant flywheel was powerful enough to spin itself (it is not), the principle of operation could be scaled up.

As the original owner stated it was not powerful. Then most of your statement is invalidated.

The opinion offered can only be addressed with several independent builds.

The original video has been found in two separate YouTube channels.
That does not infer change of ownership.

However has the original owner survived Covid?

Regards

[Tarsier79]

As the original owner stated it was not powerful. Then most of your statement is invalidated.

None of my statement is invalidated.

The opinion offered can only be addressed with several independent builds.

Build it then.

[agor95]

As the original owner stated it was not powerful. Then most of your statement is invalidated.

None of my statement is invalidated.

The opinion offered can only be addressed with several independent builds.

Build it then.

no power no reason to scale up. As no power when small it will have no power when large.

Agreed - Build it then - the more the better