Over the top

[Senax]

The key to success in solving the puzzle of Bessler's Wheel is to get a 360° pendulum to go over the top. By eliminating all friction losses one can almost achieve this. It only needs a tiny addition of energy and we have perpetual motion, albeit with negligible power.

By introducing a second 360° pendulum on can harvest the third derivative energy with a spring between them. The introduction of a spring is consistent with the Bessler. This allows for energy to be ferried from 6 o'clock to 12 o'clock. However, I could see that by itself this would be insufficient. Something was missing.

The Vimmy Wheel provides the answer. In order for the back and forth motion of the Vimmy to be transformed into a one directional motion it was necessary to introduce a ratchet and pawl to the
carriage wheels.

I can now see that a similar one way bearing has to be introduced to the trailing pendulum so that the leading pendulum can push against it and propel itself over the top-dead-centre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgyB6lwE8E0

[Senax]

The following quotes are where the word spring occurs in Collins' book.

The first test was presided over by Dr. Johann Georg Pertsch, Sr. (1651-1718), 'poet laureat'. The value of the president as a practical scientist is doubtful, but we have no reason to doubt his trustworthiness as an impartial observer. The
test took place on the 9th October 1712 and was witnessed by various local notables. The certificate reads thus: -

'The long-sought after and desired Perpetuum Mobile has been invented and constructed recently, through God's grace, here in Gera. It is a unique and highly useful machine that rotates without any external weights, wind, water, or spring mechanisms. It has its own quite extraordinary internal Motus Perpetuum that not only maintains, moves and turns it round continuously, but also it is able to drive easily other machines for which a great force is necessary, for example water works, mills and similar. It has become quite famous, against expectations in all neighbouring towns. In addition, news has come that so-called friends intend to steal, at the earliest opportunity, the secret of this machine in order to construct it themselves. They have already begun to attempt to secure their rights to it in another manner.

'I conclude, not only from this but also from other circumstantial evidence, that the weights are attached to some moveable or elastic arms on the periphery of the wheel. During rotation, one can clearly hear the weights hitting against the wooden boards. I was able to observe these boards through a slit. They are slightly warped. When he put the wheel onto another support and reinstalled the weights in their previous positions, he pushed down on an iron spring that gave a loud noise as it expanded upwards. I therefore presume that there is no doubt that the wheel is moved by an internal source of power, but we cannot necessarily assume that it is perpetual. Furthermore, the machine may be of little value to the public unless it can be improved. At the moment it can lift a weight of sixty pounds, but to achieve this the pulley had to be reduced more than four times, making the lifting quite slow. The diameter of the wheel is about twelve feet, and as well, the bearing was quite thin, about one quarter of an inch and only a sixth of its length was subject to friction.'

The article, An Account of the Perpetuum Mobile of Johann Ernst Elias Orffyreus, consisted of a brief resume of the story so far, including the actions of the 'Gärtner gang' and their claims that a man was secreted in a hidden chamber, and that he was the real motive force for the Orffyrean machine. The article recounts the inventor's various actions, his constant improvements to the wheel, and the fact that he 'silenced his critics, not by words but by deeds'. The previous tests are covered, and mention is made of the illustrious examiners present. It is stated that 'Orffyreus did not attempt to conceal the fact that his machine is set in motion by weights'. The author goes on to 'conclude from circumstantial evidence that the weights were pierced in the middle and attached by connecting springs'.

He publicly thanks him for 'restoring to me a measure of all the honour and means I had lost in my native country'. He describes how he began to build a new wheel, making it larger than the others and explains that the 'inward structure of the wheel is of a nature according to the laws of perpetual motion, so arranged that certain disposed weights once in rotation, gain force from their own swinging, and must continue their movement as long as their structure does not lose its position and arrangement. Unlike all other automata, such as clocks or springs or other hanging weights which require winding up or whose duration depends on the chain which attaches them, on the contrary these weights are the essential parts and constitute perpetual motion itself; as from them is received the universal movement which they must exercise so long as they remain out of the centre of gravity; and when they come to placed together, so arranged that they can never obtain equilibrium, or the punctum quietus which they unceasingly seek in their wondrous speedy flight, one or another of them must apply its weight vertically to the axis, which in its turn will also move'.

[Dr.Wlazlak]

Mr. Senax: Not to be a stick in the mud, But

How does this thing get started in the first Place?

Does it start itself or is it pushed somehow to start?

or lifted to the top somehow by the means of outside the energy used to run the machine?

Because if the unit takes something more than the energy it uses to run, it will only run as long as the start energies input is present.

once the thing that starts it runs out, it may not run very long after that. Again not to be a stick in the mud, over the laws of Conservation

But -- Mr. Englishman said. no breaking the law of Thermodynamics, and what does that have to do With this type of Energy anyway?

- Action = 1 - Counter reaction = 1 - friction = ? ( in order for these things to work 2 input energies are needed )

Constant force to = 1 Action is the free energy output -- the Friction
Constant force to = 1 counter reaction = zero counter reaction
if that is not the case No system that is self propelled device will Work. Again the laws of Conservation must apply.

it is a very simple formula and totally possible to make happen in a motor type device.

Wlazlak

[Senax]

it is a very simple formula and totally possible to make happen in a motor type device.

I believe you.

[AtomitonPhysics]

Hi I am a senor in high school There is a group of 4 in the Physics Engineering class where our group project is to build a perpetual motion
engine to run our Atomiton that is being built in the metal shop class
Having the photo of Spark must mean you are the Science officer So talking with you first is the thing to do.
Or are there others that can help also. How does this forum thing Work?
I heard a story that Besler Wheel was a perpetual motion machine so can you help our group build a perpetual motion engine to run our
project?

Thanks, From our Science group

[eccentrically1]

Hello Atomiton,
You've got the forum figured out, it's not complicated. Solving Bessler's wheel is a bit more complicated; we can't agree if he achieved PM or not.
Spock isn't the forum science officer, he just chose that picture to represent himself here.
Your time would be better spent talking to your teacher about how to run your project with a solar panel or similar technology.

[AtomitonPhysics]

Thank you: Mr. Kelly our science teacher has has made it clear we must do what the project format that we selected that was to build a Perpetual motion Engine to put in the Automaton that is being built in the metal shop
If my group does not do this we may not get a good enough grade to get into College so we can not fail there must be a way

Is there anyone else in this forum that can help us with this project?

Thanks, Kat.

[eccentrically1]

No, I'm sorry Kat, there's no one in this forum that knows how to build a perpetual motion engine.
I'm surprised Mr. Kelly expects you to build one.

[AtomitonPhysics]

Thank you, I will talk with my group tomorrow and see what they have came up with
But I will be back to see if you people maybe have something you think of that will help in some way

Thanks, Kat.

[thx4]

No, I'm sorry Kat, there's no one in this forum that knows how to build a perpetual motion engine.
I'm surprised Mr. Kelly expects you to build one.

I think there are at least a dozen members on this forum who have a very precise idea of the Bessler wheel. Their version of course.
The main thing is to keep the faith in the idea of the possible. After going through all the stages of faith, I finally believe that it is possible, faith has turned into evidence.
The burden of proof is on me.

Thank you, I will talk with my group tomorrow and see what they have came up with

@Kat,
Very interesting to see where they started from.
A++

[eccentrically1]

No, I'm sorry Kat, there's no one in this forum that knows how to build a perpetual motion engine.
I'm surprised Mr. Kelly expects you to build one.

I think there are at least a dozen members on this forum who have a very precise idea of the Bessler wheel. Their version of course.
The main thing is to keep the faith in the idea of the possible. After going through all the stages of faith, I finally believe that it is possible, faith has turned into evidence.
The burden of proof is on me.

Thank you, I will talk with my group tomorrow and see what they have came up with

@Kat,
Very interesting to see where they started from.
A++

I'm sure every member has their own version of his wheel.

Alas poor Kat, no member here has shared a physical working PM engine.
Our current knowledge of how motion is understood and defined doesn't include the elusive answer to this problem. Maybe in the future someone like you will discover it.

[WaltzCee]

Thank you: Mr. Kelly our science teacher . .. .. .

If my group does not do this we may not get a good enough grade to get into College so we can not fail there must be a way

Is there anyone else in this forum that can help us with this project?

Thanks, Kat.

It seems, Kat, you have 2 options. I'll go over the most likely one first

• Lower your expectations.

Get used to sweeping/moping floors and flipping burgers. Study how the business works and they might let you manage it one day.

• Marry into wealth

always remember, if you give the milk away for free, no one is going to buy the cow.

There could be other options yet these seem the most likely.

[agor95]

I have come across the term related to US schools.
However until now I have not read up on the details.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_grade

Regards

[AtomitonPhysics]

Good news, Our science group has found 2 retired Engineers that have working free energy devices. It turns out that perpetual motion
machines are impossible to make work so Mr. Kelly Said we can change the wording to Free Energy that means the same thing but it is
possible.
One of the engineers is making arrangements with Mr. Kelly to come to our School and show his machines and show our science team how to
build a magnet free energy motor that runs without being plugged in.

Thank you for your suggestions. There is nothing else we need right now. Its time to do a science project and become a Science teacher
That is my life goal.

Sincerely, Kat aka. AtomitonPhysics

[Tarsier79]

Good news, Our science group has found 2 retired Engineers that have working free energy devices. It turns out that perpetual motion
machines are impossible to make work so Mr. Kelly Said we can change the wording to Free Energy that means the same thing but it is
possible.
One of the engineers is making arrangements with Mr. Kelly to come to our School and show his machines and show our science team how to
build a magnet free energy motor that runs without being plugged in.

"Free energy" is the same thing as our definition of "perpetual motion". A gravity engine is just as impossible as a permanent magnet motor without an external power source. Both equally defy the laws of physics.

I would like to see the engineers design. Could you post it here?