Global Energy Prize

[eccentrically1]

I’ll believe in precession energy when your pendulum gets over the top in a reduced air pressure case on a ballrace pivot released from 12 with a sufficient spring.
Keep us updated.

I will only go to those extreme measures if the pendulum rises to a greater height with the spring in operation than without the spring in operation.

As I commented on my previous "successful design". You can't be a little bit pregnant.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 22abfb9d6

"Successful design", right. You can't be a little bit successful in PM.

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He had carried out a computer simulation and shown that there was some slight gain in energy, albeit small.

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Sims can't simulate PM. It should go without saying.

Why wouldn't a pendulum swing higher if you combine it with a spring?

[Senax]

I got the impression that he worked from first principles and not some program like WD but you are right to be skeptical. Probably a large dose of hopium in my part. :-)

[WaltzCee]

I think god has nothing to do with it. Bessler wasn't smart enough to sell his idea.and get it out to the world. The only thing we can do is try to learn from his example.

Today, most of the world is dependent on coal or the petro-chemical industry. 50% of the electricity in America is generated from coal and most of that is imported.

It is not conducive to world peace for the world's largest economy to be dependent on potential enemies for their energy needs.

Look what Putin is trying to do to Europe.

If on the other hand, energy production were more distributed and from gravity (Terragravitic Induction?) the world would be more economically isolated and harder to disturb the peace.

If Bessler's wheel had developed from the 1700's, today's geopolitics would be very different.

People would need way less government, they would be more independent. Harder to manipulate.

That would not be good for a new world order, a one world government.

[agor95]

[Sims can't simulate PM. It should go without saying.

I can understand why you believe the above.

Any device that uses collision of internal components is out of limits to being simulated.
Even Richard Feynman skipped collision transitions and work on the results after the events.

Regards

[WaltzCee]

On rereading your original post I can see I've misjudged you - in that your stratagems were based on you actually having the wheel. I was probably blinded by my irritation with you, inter alia, in relation to your hijacking my brachistochrone .gif. (

I apologize. I got it from wiki and thought it was public domain.

It will never happen again

[Fletcher]

America is a good example of a 'fuel-economy' (let's face it all western countries) - economies that grow and continue to grow their GDP on the premise of continued uninterrupted supply of cheap carbon based fuels. Since the industrial revolution 200 years ago these fuel-economies have progressively worked thru wood (pre-industrial), coal, oil, and gas; each one more energy dense than the previous "phase". Yet peak productions of oil and gas for example are well past peak because not only is it far harder to find economically viable supplies of new oil and gas etc these same economies and populations needing them have also grown exponentially increasing demand higher still outstripping supply. USA now imports coal and gas for energy production when not so long ago she was once self sufficient. Even new technologies to recover more oil and gas from old abandoned sites only make a short term dint in the landscape. Opec countries hold the cards - as Arabia etc have the largest remaining known reserves and they are the cheapest to extract being close to the surface in good rock formations etc. And they actively thwart new technologies or bringing on new supply sources of oil and gas by instantly reducing the cost per barrel to make it uneconomic to find and develop other sources, perhaps less economically viable to extract etc. Thinking massive Venezuelan and Canadian Tar-sands for example.

The up-shot being that if any country wants peace and stability, and economic growth and prosperity for its people they will do just about anything, under almost any pretense, to make sure that the supply line direct into the vein of societies cohesiveness and prosperity is not pulled out, wittingling or unwittingly. Hence the rush to protect sources and supply lines around the world when under perceived threat - economies, countries, careers, and fortunes, not to mention the natural 'order' of things societal and structure depend on its continued 'availability'.

Not many have the political will or resources to find and develop a viable large scale replacement for carbon-fuel-economies that could step into the vacated shoes should that happen. Every western country is hoping that scientists will come up with an answer before fuel runs out severely downsizing economies and jobs etc.

Two viable alternatives (not counting safe nuclear reactors) are based on hydrogen (doesn't produce CO2). A direct Hydrogen economy but has problems with transport and supply of gas or liquid form. The other is liquid Ammonia which can can fill a tank in minutes comparable to petroleum stations etc. Liquid Ammonia has a higher energy density than even compressed hydrogen gas and simply releases hydrogen for combustion and also no CO2 emissions.

B's. wheels might have a place in producing hydrogen gas in your home to then be the work horse of industry and domestic. Or straight to battery storage etc. Their energy density is small but they are mechanically easy to maintain and run without stop - tortoise and hare comparison.

In the mean time we few hope that B's. wheels see the light of day once more - their future use and contribution to societies stability and robustness an unknown quantity. And the rest wait for the scientists to ride in on their white horses and save the day, and planet.

Food for Thought .. End of Rant ..

[thx4]

Hi Fletcher, I see and observe like you the state of the world we live in. I don't feel responsible for ANYTHING, the 8 billion humans are self-reacting every millisecond of the previous one. Stopping this mass in motion is useless and counterproductive, without interest.
Humans have always been able to get out of the worst situations, they are intelligent...although what they show us is contradictory in its stupidity. He's an Alien and he will eventually invade the cosmos, no doubt.
Welcome to earth. :)
Concerning B, it's another thing. The blocking of the majority of the members not to share their work, fear of being plagiarized and pathetic, but I also went through this stage.
I've vaccinated myself by projecting a positive result of my wheel, the first seconds of operation will be the most extraordinary thing that could happen to me in my life (although...), it will last 30 seconds, after this moment all the rest will be blabla without importance. It will be impossible to keep something like this secret or to sell it, and that's good.
I understand from some of the posts that the average age of the members is leaning dangerously towards the exit. (70 years old soon) Amen...
A++

[agor95]

Liquid Ammonia has a higher energy density than even compressed hydrogen gas and simply releases hydrogen for combustion and also no CO2 emissions.

How do we produce ammonia in bulk without causing CO2 emissions?

Regards

[Fletcher]

Solar, wind, and geothermic sources of energy. Perhaps B's. wheels ;7)

[agor95]

Solar, wind, and geothermic sources of energy. Perhaps B's. wheels ;7)

It appears urea is a good sources.

So wee could run our cars on people wast products.

Regards

[agor95]

Solar, wind, and geothermic sources of energy. Perhaps B's. wheels ;7)

You got me thinking. We add AdBlue which is urea/water mix into fuel.

We produce ethanol to replace petrol in part or in full.
This is made from plants. Some of them are food plants.

But urea has less carbon and should be less intensive in the production process.

At this time ethanol creates more CO2 from creation to usage than petrol.

One objection is urea that breaks down into ammonia has a lower octane level.

Well use bigger capacity engines.

https://www.ammoniaenergy.org/articles/ ... n-engines/

P.S.

Based on the above link we are looking at a hybrid system were the combustion engine produces electricity to drive an electric motor and charge batteries. The batteries help level the load on the engine.

Regards

[agor95]

I wonder how much energy could be stored with weights being cable pulled up slopes?

There are mountainous areas, Wales, were there are many old mines that have existing tracks.
The mines transported slate in 3 ton waggons.

In land electricity would be used to pull the waggons up and the energy released when required.

There are places along any coast were tide or wave movements could be used to do the pulling.

Another option is an inclined parking lot. You park you car at the top and collect your car later at the bottom. When you walk down into the town then there is no need to walk up to get your car.

Regards

[Fletcher]

The concept is called "pumped storage" .. usually associated with hydro dams, where water is pumped to an upper dam with off-peak electricity. Which then at a later time when demand is high flows down hill producing peak time electricity.

The same concept has been proposed for abandoned mine shafts etc .. carts are lifted with off-peak power and used for generation in peak demand times.

My earlier idea was similar in some ways .. let a full tide lift a barge. Lock the barge at max height. When tide goes out let the barge's weight do work as it returns down to the low tide water level geared to a turbine.

[agor95]

I know we are here focused on finding the solution to Bessler's Wheel.

However can we work together, to have a planet, so we work too the solution on in the first place?

We can get irritated; but really is that more to do with frustration or embarrassment?

Just look into a mirror and ask the question 'Have I done the best I can?'

This is NO for we have a life to live. So it is a comprise life or study.

Interesting using a barge lifting power generation process.

As Mark Twain [Samuel Langhorne Clemens] once said; people talk above weather but do nothing about it,

If we did then every river in the world would have a hydro plant at it's month.

P.S. Can Question marks be italic ?

Regards

[Senax]

P.S. Can Question marks be italic ?

Normal ?
Italic ?

Yes - but it's difficult to see the difference.