Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[Sam Peppiatt]

Fletcher, Fair enough. The work begins-----------------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

Your wheel began with 2 masses Sam. Comparing it to 2 masses on a roberval, they are forced along a certain path, yet not independent of each other.

Your's are free to wander aimlessly, like fat cows looking for a slaughter house. I've consistently said slaughter them!

Any progress?

ETA

if they were driven around, it should take less RKE to do that than would quickly develop in their individual rotations.

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Because your original design behaved like a flywheel, with 2 independent masses, it brought to mind a liquid flywheel.

Too much sloshing around. Needs structure.

[agor95]

Now I'm getting some action, a lot of action / a lot of out of balance, (OOB). The casing needs to be in a backward "D" shape. The roller, rolls out on the flat side of the "D" and returns to the top of the wheel by it's curved path. You never have to lift anything.

You might be surprised what a lift comprises of.

Good one

Regards

[Sam Peppiatt]

Waltcy, You're right. These rollers are like heading cows; they don't want to go straight. Also, for a flywheel it would be better if they were bolted down solid. However, they have to shift around inside of the rings, so that they can roll out on the down side, to give it some OOB.

I'm going to try 'ball transfers' to guide the rollers, maybe that will help. I did get the new brake drums--------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

Not sure what you mean agor? Tarsier, seams to have no clue how it works. I think I've been explaining every thing all wrong. Let me try a different approach. Of coarse you have to lift the fucking weight(s) back up! [SOB!] Anyway, I'll barrow a term used by Mr. Vibrator, perhaps that will help.

The roller going up is counter-balanced by the roller going down. Are you with me so far? They are balanced! That's all well and good. But, for the wheel to be out of balance, (OOB), on the down side; the rollers / weights have to roll out along the flats for about 3 inches, (at 3:00), to drive the wheel down. Then, guess what? After, they regain contact with the casings,(which is a major scientific break through), they return to there balanced state and, are lifted back up to the top of the wheel. But, if you disagree; maybe you can enlighten me on how it was done.

All of you, are at least 10 time smarter than I'll ever hope to be; why can't you grasp it---------------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

This concept may also help to explain the 4 to 1 or, great craftsman rule. At 3:00; the roller falls 1/4 of a circle, from 3:00 down to 6:00. From there it has to get all the way back to 3:00, or one full turn / 4 quarters, to sustain rotation. So that it can fall again. In other words, after the roller / weight falls 1 quarter, it has to complete one full turn, ( 4 Quarters) to keep it going.

A long time ago, John Collins told me he, (Bessler), was describing the face of a clock. On this point, I'm bound to agree with him-------------------Sam

[neuberlintourist1]

SIMULATION PLEASE

[Sam Peppiatt]

neuber1, Please see Fletcher SIM page 51. I don't know how to do. If you don't like it go to hell------------------------Sam

[agor95]

SIMULATION PLEASE

How to make friends and influence people

If you don't like it go to hell------------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

agor 95,
I suppose I could have been a little more tactful, maybe a lot. This is the third time he has demanded a SIM from me!! Which I'm incapable of doing. I guess it's become a sort spot for me. I've offered to answer any questions he might have. He never says hello or any thing else, just I want a SIM and, I want it now, in capital letters! Plus he was giving John Collins a big ration of shit, which I don't like.

Maybe I'm wrong. I just said what I felt about him. I made my point the best I know how-------------------------Sam

[agor95]

I suppose I could have been a little more tactful, maybe a lot. This is the third time he has demanded a SIM from me!!

Maybe I'm wrong. I just said what I felt about him. I made my point the best I know how-------------------------Sam

I understand; I looked through his posts looking for any SIMs he had produced.
I gave up and started being captivated with his links to other sites.

His demand was loud direct and short. Due to the brief CAPITALISATION only text.

I am thinking we are only human, I imagine, so both parties should just ask with a few more words like.

Can you make a simulation of your concept. I am unable to create simulations myself.
So I would not want to demand it from you as that would appear hypocritical of me.

You have done a better response in explaining your abilities at this time.
I also was in a no sim stage in the past and people understand were you are.

Regards

[Sam Peppiatt]

Thanks agor. Thanks for the kind words, I will try to do better---------------------Sam

[Tarsier79]

Not sure what you mean agor? Tarsier, seams to have no clue how it works. I think I've been explaining every thing all wrong. Let me try a different approach. Of coarse you have to lift the fucking weight(s) back up! [SOB!] Anyway, I'll barrow a term used by Mr. Vibrator, perhaps that will help.

The roller going up is counter-balanced by the roller going down. Are you with me so far? They are balanced! That's all well and good. But, for the wheel to be out of balance, (OOB), on the down side; the rollers / weights have to roll out along the flats for about 3 inches, (at 3:00), to drive the wheel down. Then, guess what? After, they regain contact with the casings,(which is a major scientific break through), they return to there balanced state and, are lifted back up to the top of the wheel. But, if you disagree; maybe you can enlighten me on how it was done.

I wasn't talking about one roller lifting another because they are balanced. I was talking about your roller rolling inside an enclosure with a flat section, so it can OB. The roller has to be lifted at some stage, either onto the flat or off of the flat. You might not see it as a lift, but it is. Unless your roller moves in a perfect circle compared to the wheel, it is being lifted (therefor it is also dropping). In light of that, as long as you make the transition smooth, the rising and falling of the roller shouldn't affect rotation much more than it would normally.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Tarsier,
Thanks for conceding me that much. Coming from you, that means a lot! With the ring and roller it's no longer a zero sum game. Now, there is a fighting chance that can could work. The down side of the design, is the rollers don't roll out until 3:00, which is pretty late in the day to drive the wheel. The best they can hope to do, is to get back up to 9:00.

Consequently the need for another set of rings and rollers. Will it be enough? I do not know, maybe -------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

To reiterate,
Normally, if you were to push a heavy weight out at 3:00; it would swing down past 6:00 a ways, then it would come back / keel and, become bottom heavy. With no way to lift it back up. A dead duck!

The Ring and roller eliminates that problem------------------------Sam