Part Three is the Charm

[eccentrically1]

MT 20, the levers that flip the weights up and over , in to out. I wonder why he put stops on top of the frame? The weights could have turned the complete 180 without them.

Rather than the weights lead the wheel, did he mean the weights should pull the wheel instead of push it?
How would the weights lag behind the speed of the wheel?
Everything turns at the same speed inside there, which means the weights can't shift faster than what the wheel is turning.
Am I the only one that thinks this?

[Fletcher]

The size and speed variability is a huge problem to explain coherently Sam .. His Merseburg 12 footer rotated at 40 rpm. The one-ways much faster. There just isn't any time to shift anything and restore its position and have any force left over to accelerate the wheel by application of its weight. An elevator (weight) doesn't weigh anything when its falling at the same rate as the floor its trying to land on analogy, to hijack Einsteins thought experiment for our purposes.

So we think of other forces such as Cf's an Coriolis etc.

But we run into another problem without even going into the math. B. said with just one creuz (cross / cross-bar) it could hardly turn itself, with many it could go much faster and with more power (paraphrased).

It goes without saying that if with just 1 cross it barely revolved then it was very slow just overcoming frictions.

Cf's are found by F = ma => mr^2/v

There is no rpm (linear v or angular v) to generate any CF's in that scenario, ruling them out as the force de majeure, imo.

[mryy]

The Gera and Draschwitz spun around 50 rpm. That's 1.2 seconds per revolution. It got me thinking about the realistic number of levers inside a B. wheel relative to its speed. My last design features 15 levers. Can that many levers strike the rim in 1.2 seconds? Most likely no. But if the wheel's rpm is decreased I believe it's possible to use that many then.

This time I reduced the total levers to 9. I think this number is plausible for a wheel moving at 50 rpm. I also attached purple cords between the levers to better hold their maximum spacing. I think the cords will produce that twang sound(?) at full stretch as described by the AP bow metaphor. They also make the SB's appear more like leaves with their midribs alluded in the evil root metaphor. In the future I'll play around with the SB's link lengths and attachment points along the levers. Hope you like ...

[agor95]

... force de majeure, imo.

I looked up 'de majeure' and they are mostly restaurants.

So I think you are making a meal of it ;)

The point I wish to put forward is weight is stress.

A mass has momentum and any deflection from the path appears as weight.

Gravity is not like anything else but to us it appears as if the momentum path curves without stress.

If I were to pick a cause it would be distance shortening which appears as time dilation to us. This is clocks tick slower in stronger gravity or at faster speeds.

Regards

[Sam Peppiatt]

ecc1, Fletcher,
I was referring to the shifting speed of the weights. For a wheel to turn, the weights have to shift outwards by some amount, from there balanced location, out to there OOB location. For the wheel to pick up speed, the weights have to shift out faster than the wheel is turning. That is to say, they have to lead, not lag, the rotational speed of the wheel. Unfortunately, that appears to be the case. Bessler wheel mechanics if you will.

After they reach their OOB location, they now fall at the same speed of the wheel and force it to rotate. If I'm right, it's the only way that it will ever work. And C.F is about the only way to do it.

Yes, Fletcher you are right, when the wheel is stopped there can't be any Centrifugal force on it. I suppose that's part of the reason why you had to give then a big push, to get them started. To explain the first wheel. A weight must have shifted outward before it came to a stop, then, when the brake was released gravity alone would be enough to get it going. However, the very next weight, would have shift outward faster than what the wheel is moving, in order for it to sustain rotation---Sam

[Fletcher]

... force de majeure, imo.

I looked up 'de majeure' and they are mostly restaurants.

So I think you are making a meal of it ;)

;7)

If I were to pick a cause it would be distance shortening which appears as time dilation to us. This is clocks tick slower in stronger gravity or at faster speeds.

My simple way to remember Einstein's (General) Relativity wrt gravity and speed.

Time appears the same for all observers in every location (your heart pumps at the same rate and your metabolic processes and cell replacement are at the same rate).

Time goes slower the closer you are to a mass (like earth or the sun or a black-hole).

Time goes slower the faster you go (like whizzing across the solar system or galaxy etc at a speed a proportion of the speed of light - even depending on whether you travel from east to west or west to east in an aircraft at the equator for example).

Of course these are relative speeds .. time goes slower close to a mass because mass curves space-time and your space ship follows a curve which is a longer distance than a straight line .. iow's to you it takes the same time but to an observer out near pluto it takes you longer. Time goes slower when at great speeds this way .. imagine you are in your space ship and you fire a photon of light at a mirror that is at right angles to your direction of travel. It hits the mirror and bounces back to you. Because you are zipping thru the solar system the path the photon takes is actually a V shape and not a II shape if you were stationary .. therefore it takes a longer path. To the observer time appears to have slowed for you when you are at speed.

The flip is that if you are parked out in deep space with little gravitational influence and no speed the observers back on earth (near mass) or whizzing by will see you wither and age at an accelerated rate - iow's time goes faster in a vacuum away from gravity and with no speed.

Moral of the story .. if you want to live longer hang around with big planets and keep moving.

[agor95]

Moral of the story .. if you want to live longer hang around with big planets and keep moving.

All you explained is well known and complete when you include the shortening of rockets in the direction of flight as you get close to the speed of light.

I believe 4 dimensional space-time is a good model but lacking.
In the same way aerodynamics is also a good model but lacking.

Both do not address the fine grain dynamics of their cause.

That does not matter except were we want to combine a fine grain model with a large macro-model like above.

So we are talking of particle motion with aerodynamics or gravity and quantum mechanics.

Regards

[Fletcher]

Yes .. it's the same with the boundary between quantum mechanics (probabilities, very small - fine grain) and Newtonian Mechanics (big - large grain). Both accurately predict behaviour well at their scale.

Common sense tells us that when the fine grain gets coarser and the coarse grain gets finer they should predict the same at that boundary where they cross-over. Which implies either should predict accurately in the others domain - but they don't and it's not down to scale.

It means the modeling (theories) are incomplete and so can not accurately predict behaviour for all physical events in all domains. They work for sub-sets of domains. Like standing on a hill looking at a train rushing by between the trees. We can see each carriage as it passes but we can't see where it came from or where its going to (the same analogy for commodity traders including banks and currency).

I think of it like this ..

We on the earth's surface understand the relationship between area and volume .. surface area is by the square, volume is by the cube.

So as we get bigger and bigger gravity and mass dominates our lives - its a force that dictates many things mechanical in organisms.

But as 'we' get smaller and smaller (e.g. tiny insects microns wide) because volume and mass goes down by the cube then gravity means next to nothing to us (think of the strength of an ant compared to us proportionally). Then electrostatic forces are the dominant force in 'our' lives.

Maybe a bit too esoterical but points out that models are relative to the size and what forces dominant at that scale.

[Tarsier79]

That is a funny thought Fletcher.

If you were traveling faster than the speed of light, to see yourself in a mirror that was perpendicular to you on the space ship, It would appear that the mirror is lagging behind you the further it is away, so you would have to look slightly backwards to see the mirror. The light photos that hit the mirror would be from the forward part of your face. So when you looked at the mirror, your reflection would be looking towards the back of the ship.

[WaltzCee]

• Common sense tells us that when the fine grain gets coarser and the coarse grain gets finer they should predict the same at that boundary where they cross-over.

the tangent function dog legs thru zero

ETA

That dog leg is a maneuver. Changes of direction can give opportunity to catch mass flat-footed.

poor, exploited mass.
pity party over.

[preoccupied]

Time dilation is caused by inertia g-forces. It creates bubbles of energies that control time. Light is g-force free and has no time dilation so it will enter a bubble and continue in that bubble at the speed of light so that's also why gravity bends light since it will pass through different other objects time dilation and when you enter a time dilation bubble to time travel with you can still see light. In fact if you see a time traveler you might see them enter what looks like a black hole because the light is traveling with them and not being reflected in an instant.

Sam, what about angular velocity being used to cause a weight to go ahead of the wheel? I think that is what a swastika can do with its bottom lever, if the bottom lever is allowed to fall to the bottom swinging freely and then be lifted back up it would be lifted into the wheel causing some angular velocity that would help push it into the right angle position. That's exactly what i have on my thread but I admittedly don't know if I did a good job designing a mechanism to take advantage of angular velocity. I'm just saying angular velocity is a lot like centrifugal force, don't you think?

[Fletcher]

That is a funny thought Fletcher.

If you were traveling faster than the speed of light, to see yourself in a mirror that was perpendicular to you on the space ship, It would appear that the mirror is lagging behind you the further it is away, so you would have to look slightly backwards to see the mirror. The light photos that hit the mirror would be from the forward part of your face. So when you looked at the mirror, your reflection would be looking towards the back of the ship.

Probably above my pay grade or deep interest T .. afaik nothing can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum. Because it means your ship needs infinite energy to get to that speed let alone go faster.

One curious thing is the hypothesis that if we approached in our ship the event horizon of a black-hole and were sucked thru it head first we would be spagettified - because our head would be accelerated faster than our feet stretching us out into a noodle. Nobody on earth would see it tho because time goes faster for them and we would appear to stop just before the event horizon for eternity and never cross it. I'm pretty sure for me on that ship time is as usual as I cross and my my BMI doesn't change ;7)

[thx4]

Just a problem with the light speed, if two vessels going at light speed collide face to face, at what speed do they collide?
I don't scrape I wait :)
A++

[WaltzCee]

Hey Walt and ECC1 ..

It's the main reason I said a month or so ago that it may be that the one-size-fits-all (imo) Prime Mover can be cuckooed to just about any OOB wheel.

I have a question, but it refuses to properly form in my mind.

[preoccupied]

Light speed is a matter obliterating speed because of g forces. You don't know if it takes infinite energy to travel past the speed of light. It doesn't. If you travel near the speed of light you enter a bubble that is separate from the rest of reality because of g forces. But in space where gravity has whip lashed off of other gravity thereby increasing their speeds and reducing their g forces because going into a gravitational body decreases g forces before whip lashing it away, that happens, it causes some objects in space to travel past the speed of light compared to our relative motion here without time dilating or time traveling. The time dilation's are physical bubbles created by g forces like a change in space itself. Like gravity is a change in space itself or it's literally concentrated inertia. If two vessels collide face to face either their bubbles would bounce off of each other like light does or they would obliterate each other because g forces at that speed are matter crushing speeds. I think it's curious that people think they know what would happen in a black hole. There is so much magical thinking in physics that doesn't have physical experimentation. Theoretical physics is a joke. Experimental physics is so underdeveloped that I've basically had a monopoly on its discoveries when I was a kid. It's too bad that I got concussions throughout my life and I don't know if that's fate because some people believe that time travel could manipulate free will. If I become part of the past from time travel do I have to be limited in the present time so that I don't absorb too much information from the present because of continuity? I have over 15 duplicates that influenced human intellectual development in the future from my development in the past as a time traveling kid. So what literally happens when you run past the speed of light on foot is you enter a dark portal and you split into two and one copy of you ends up in the past and you stay in the present time as well. That's what happened year 2003 when I ran past the speed of light on foot when I had my technologies then and like the Flash in DC Comics I time traveled and became Hermes. I don't know how I got to Greece from Michigan by running. It was good that I didn't trip and fall because it would have caused a catastrophic explosion.