A Concept

[Da Ewe]

So in a perpetual motion forum we are supposed to say it is impossible and Bessler was a fraud?
That's okay because if what I do works, I'll tell John Collins granddaughter that she might be have it better
today if his friends thought Bessler wasn't a fraud.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/arti ... rpose.html

John Collins, her grandfather is the reason for this forum.
https://www.amazon.com/Perpetual-Motion ... 41167636X

What you guys do not want is my having major surgery. This is a perpetual motion forum. And yet
I am wrong for pursuing Bessler's work. I think Nazi fits the people in here who say we will attack you.
You guys are like atheists who go to church and say the church is wrong. This isn't a religion but you'll
never show yourselves, you're anonymous.

[Da Ewe]

This movie https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1504320/ might help Amy, John's granddaughter to walk again.
Will she be allowed to get mad? She should be willing to fight?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUh4JnmcyAE

[Da Ewe]

Making assemblies like lockout mechanisms is a lot of work. Yet if movement is not
timed then nothing can work. And when I am told repeatedly that I am the problem,
people will believe what they read about what is said about me.
I think most people who try to build something will give up. They'll need to know trigonometry
and algebra. Then can you design and develop a part or assembly? Yet I am faulted for
doing what wrong? It has to be something very bad.

I'll need to add a seat for the rocker tab, maybe. I want a low angle on that mechanism because a tab
on the weighted lever will be sliding over it. That creates resistance. There are a lot of details to consider.
And most likely few people will waste their time building something. After all, this one component has
taken over a month to design and build.

And with Bessler's Wheel, a similar mechanism might be needed. Otherwise what will hold weights in
the overbalanced and under balanced positions? I think woodworkers in Europe would welcome such a
challenge.

[Tarsier79]

I have used latches I designed before. The best method of holding weights in OB is using a flip weight and a stop, like MT13. It eliminates sliding friction and doesn't care about speed.

[Da Ewe]

I have used latches I designed before. The best method of holding weights in OB is using a flip weight and a stop, like MT13. It eliminates sliding friction and doesn't care about speed.

That might've worked. I'm using an external rack to rotate the weights with. There might need to
be space between them. I'm using about a .5m radius. The overbalance will be created over about
30 to 40cm path along the arc the wheel will be traveling in.
What Bessler shows with his "anchor" is that it can swing. This means as the wheel rotates it will
rock in that direction. And then it will swing back once the weight it's moving "falls" forward to its
over balanced position. It's possible Mt 13 could work as drawn.
The bottom of the "anchor" where it has the "A" is only a counterbalance for the resistance it creates
with the bent tabs on the weights passing top center.
And now the question is, is Mt 13 Bessler's Wheel? If the anchor were designed as a drum, then the
description would be close. His saying "Peacock's Tail" is why I went with the design I posted. And now
people might debate "What did Bessler actually build?".

[Tarsier79]

Bessler didn't do it by using the OB to lift the weight back up. Like I said, 0 sum game at best.

[Da Ewe]

Bessler didn't do it by using the OB to lift the weight back up. Like I said, 0 sum game at best.

Then you're saying Bessler was a fraud because there's no other place for energy to be conserved.
Just nothing to discuss. So why post? And for 13 years this is all you can say? It can't work? Are you
tired of saying that yet?

[Tarsier79]

Stop putting words into my mouth.

MT is full of designs that don't work. The principle of your design is ultimately no different. The same thing that stopped your last design from working is the same reason MT13 (and most of the rest) don't work. It is also the same reason your current design is destined to fail.

You could try to learn the real reason why your designs don't work?

Anyway, I am not your keeper. You are free to do whatever you like.

[Da Ewe]

Stop putting words into my mouth.

MT is full of designs that don't work. The principle of your design is ultimately no different. The same thing that stopped your last design from working is the same reason MT13 (and most of the rest) don't work. It is also the same reason your current design is destined to fail.

You could try to learn the real reason why your designs don't work?

Anyway, I am not your keeper. You are free to do whatever you like.

You are aware that if I am right that when Bessler's Wheel gets built that no one who learned to talk in an English speaking country will be involved.
And as a disabled Veteran who served honorably in the U.S. Navy, just not welcome in an English speaking country. You'll be able to tell your family
that you're simply better.
Just nothing else I can say.

Peace and Love 2 U

[Tarsier79]

You are aware that if I am right....

You are not.

[thx4]

MT13 My friend 😊

It would be enough that this weight around 9am doesn't weigh anything for ½ seconds to see a PM, it's still not very complicated but I never managed to do it....
I still sometimes think of it as believing in an afterlife is viral 😊

http://youtu.be/84vUFprg6DM
A++

[Da Ewe]

I asked a math teacher online why no one says y = sine while x = cosine? Then if you have
something like n * sine or cosine 60º, which value do you need to find? It's movement along the y axis
or the x axis? Then you'll know if you need to consider sine or cosine. And like any other language,
math is a language. I don't see it being spoken here so I am not sure what you're trying to say.
You have shown that you have an opinion but I wouldn't know why it matters. And do you know where
conservation of angular momentum influences how gravity acts on a specific weight? You would
need to know that as well and I don't see that understanding because you are simply speaking the wrong
language.
If you were speaking the "right" language then I would know if you understand how conservation of
angular momentum applies to this design. If you knew then then you'd know how each side's moment
of inertia could be calculated. Then you would know whether or not if it can work. And until then all you
have is an opinion.

This is where IMO ab hammer and his associates were allowed to ruin this forum when he said "only building
will tell", "it can't work" and "prove it". Then when those who say "prove" it has it proven to them then they will
receive credit for making the other person work for them. That is a common tactic among Christians in the U.S.
It is the other person who needs to show they're good enough or otherwise negative comments will be made.
Trigonometry is easy enough to do, especially with online calculators available. And yet no one can say
-9 cos45 (under balanced side) + 10 cosine 45 (overbalanced side) =1cos45. Just way too easy to do but saying
it won't work or only building will tell is easier than factoring a simple math problem.
This is where something f(x) = ∆y/∆x wouldn't work as well. That's better for showing change. Of course since
y = sin and x = cos then a weight's position could be calculated. With calculating torque, only the x value or
cosine needs to be factored. And since conservation of angular momentum will require a 2nd calculation on
the under balanced side, trigonometry would allow for 2 right triangles to be considered. And that would be how
to keep something simple. Just won't happen in here because negative opinions are more important than actual
work such as math.
And yes, I am enjoying my build. It is the result of speaking math and science. And I do think it will generate
electricity because I took the time to learn math and the science.

[Da Ewe]

I like this assembly. And all 16 assemblies will be interchangeable with one another and with their parts.
What will be difficult to see is between the rocker and the main housing is a seat I've added. Yep, I can
speak math, science and manufacturing. I like what having taken the time to learn allows me to do.
And I think what I'm building might be used as a source of emergency power in Ukraine. Even 4,000 or
5,000 watts will help people who have no electricity. And I think people might donate kits that can be
shipped to Ukraine and then assembled there.
Of course with a standardized design some people might make parts or assemblies. Then they could be
packaged with other donations.
And with these assemblies, I might have most of the work finished today. I might need to drill some fastener
locations but after these are finished then I'll start assembling the wheel itself. And the wheel will have over 200
individual parts. The weighted levers and the lockout mechanisms alone probably approach 250.

p.s., this is where being able to calculate torque allows for considering rpm and force. Then this can be
converted into watts. Maximum efficiency will obviously be 50% of the watts it can generate. This is because
producing power will decrease its rpm.

p.s.s., I am building a display model. For providing power for a generator, the design can use fewer parts. And
with something like this, multiple wheels can be placed on the same shaft. Then one generator could distribute
power to different places. Circuit breakers would limit how much power to each destination. And I think this will
go over well in Ukraine. This is because their power grid has been badly damaged in some places.
And obviously with no fuel required they'll have clean, renewable energy providing them power.

With what I'm building, the axis the weights rotate on will be 20 inches/50cm from the axle of the wheel.
The weights will have 5 inches/12.5cm of overbalance. I am using 1lb./454g weights. I think 5 in/lbs./0.56n-m of
torque will provide sufficient power. It takes about 70% of that to rotate the top weight.
The other 2 weights will generate about 1.4 times what power one weight has. That's when rotating the top weight.
Then for about 20º of rotation, 4 overbalanced weights will be rotating the wheel. Why understanding math is
important IMO.
With 2 wheels, they can be configured so 7 weights will always be powering the wheel with 1 weight being rotated
upward. Why I like this design. It'll be considered that the bottom weight doesn't matter as far as work goes
because it cancels itself out.

[Tarsier79]

This is where something f(x) = ∆y/∆x wouldn't work as well. That's better for showing change. Of course since
y = sin and x = cos then a weight's position could be calculated. With calculating torque, only the x value or
cosine needs to be factored. And since conservation of angular momentum will require a 2nd calculation on
the under balanced side, trigonometry would allow for 2 right triangles to be considered. And that would be how
to keep something simple. Just won't happen in here because negative opinions are more important than actual
work such as math.

This is where your math becomes naive. While your calculations might be correct for a simple wheel with weights attached, It does not account for any actuator movement. In the case of your design, as soon as any weight is operated, lifted or influenced by a cam on a second axis, your calculation for that weight becomes incorrect. Ignoring or not knowing/understanding the force vectors and energies of a more complex interaction means that your final power calculations are wrong, as are any conclusions based on the same naive math.

[Tarsier79]

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