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No, the opposite of entropy is Enthalpy , the sum of a system’s internal energy and the product of its pressure and volume; not gravity.
H = E + PV
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eccentrically1 wrote: Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:55 pm No, the opposite of entropy is Enthalpy , the sum of a system’s internal energy and the product of its pressure and volume; not gravity.
H = E + PV

Internal energy is gravity. With thermodynamics, I have forgotten the energy quotient of energy as it's cooled.
I know there is a value for this because some gasses increase in energy when the field they're in has less energy.
This has to do with cooling gasses in a Joules-Thomson field.
Bessler was 1712, Fourier about 1812 and Svante Aarhenius later. And Joules-Thomsom ws 1852. A lot of history
to keep straight. And I know gasses have a value associated with them when they are cooled using the Joules-Thomson
throttling process.
Basically all matter is electro-magnetic which means it has its own internal gravity. Without it matter would have
no cohesiveness.
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Internal energy is gravity.
No, gravity is a force. Indistinguishable from a fictitious force, actually.
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eccentrically1 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:52 am
Internal energy is gravity.
No, gravity is a force. Indistinguishable from a fictitious force, actually.
Enthalpy can also express electromagnetic radiation. A propane heater is an example of this.
When gasses change states, their endothermic properties change, How does matter changing states
absorb energy and then later release it?
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WaltzCee wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:04 pm hear, here, a bit more wheel talk.

This is my theory, do the math!!
As far as perpetual motion goes, it's actually leveraging mass into motion which is realized as torque. Bessler's Wheel uses a neat trick. When the wheel rotates, a line wraps around stationary disc. This increases the distance between the fulcrum and its weight. Technically speaking the only worked performed is rotating the wheel. And you'll disagree with that. w = m*d, right? For the line attached to the weight to perform work, its length needs to change between point A (fulcrum) and point B (weight).
And Newton (1687, First Law of Motion) did say that an external force can change a body's motion. In this instance, resistance is a force. It negates inertia.
No image shown showing why any statement matters. Where is the weight and the fulcrum positioned?
Your theory simply has no math. And girls don't rope, ride and sing. Gotcha!!
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Da Ewe wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:07 am
eccentrically1 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:52 am
Internal energy is gravity.
No, gravity is a force. Indistinguishable from a fictitious force, actually.
Enthalpy can also express electromagnetic radiation. A propane heater is an example of this.
When gasses change states, their endothermic properties change, How does matter changing states
absorb energy and then later release it?
Yes, em radiation is internal energy moving into a system environment, into a more disordered state with less energy available for heat or work (entropy).
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eccentrically1 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:48 am
Da Ewe wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:07 am
eccentrically1 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:52 am

No, gravity is a force. Indistinguishable from a fictitious force, actually.
Enthalpy can also express electromagnetic radiation. A propane heater is an example of this.
When gasses change states, their endothermic properties change, How does matter changing states
absorb energy and then later release it?
Yes, em radiation is internal energy moving into a system environment, into a more disordered state with less energy available for heat or work (entropy).
You might be moving into sub-atomic particles here. It's accepted that even photons have em energy while they also have gravity (cohesion).
A disordered state is getting into why quantum mechanics. I can't remember if that is Neils Bohr or Schrodinger. Quantum mechanics
is based on probability.
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Einstein won a Nobel prize for his photo-electric paper. That included quantum mechanics.
I don't think a Nobel prize has ever been granted for supporting one theory over another.

p.s., It is well known that Einstein's Nobel prize included quantum mechanics. Since I lived in and
have spoken Norwegian I cannot say why his work on relativity received no such honor. I cannot
involve myself in politics which originates in a country that I am party to.
Running over a Russian submarine is basically the same thing. I can't say why.

And there are things some of us don't want to remember. With science, without gravity there is no electromagnetism.
There would be no magnetic field. Gravity is inherent in any electromagnetic energy. Why it is cohesive.
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Da Ewe wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:21 am
eccentrically1 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:48 am
Da Ewe wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:07 am Enthalpy can also express electromagnetic radiation. A propane heater is an example of this.
When gasses change states, their endothermic properties change, How does matter changing states
absorb energy and then later release it?
Yes, em radiation is internal energy moving into a system environment, into a more disordered state with less energy available for heat or work (entropy).
You might be moving into sub-atomic particles here. It's accepted that even photons have em energy while they also have gravity (cohesion).
A disordered state is getting into why quantum mechanics. I can't remember if that is Neils Bohr or Schrodinger. Quantum mechanics
is based on probability.
No, not specifically any realm.

Entropy is a system going from order to disorder, by different means for different types of systems.
Enthalpy is a system's total internal energy plus its pressure x volume. H = Ei + P x V.
Some processes are irreversible, so that shows how entropy is defined in the second law of thermodynamics.
wiki wrote:Natural processes tend to go only one way, toward less usable energy and more disorder.
The less usable energy, the lower the temperature. At absolute zero, the entropy is a constant value( Third law).

Noconservative forces are manifestations of an energy transformation. There is no ideal machine in an ideal environment, the limits of the equation = totally isolated from the universe.

Conservative forces like gravity are just the glue while those nonconservative forces do their thing. Together they shape our universe.
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eccentrically1 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:48 pm
Da Ewe wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:21 am
eccentrically1 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:48 am

Yes, em radiation is internal energy moving into a system environment, into a more disordered state with less energy available for heat or work (entropy).
You might be moving into sub-atomic particles here. It's accepted that even photons have em energy while they also have gravity (cohesion).
A disordered state is getting into why quantum mechanics. I can't remember if that is Neils Bohr or Schrodinger. Quantum mechanics
is based on probability.
No, not specifically any realm.

Entropy is a system going from order to disorder, by different means for different types of systems.
Enthalpy is a system's total internal energy plus its pressure x volume. H = Ei + P x V.
Some processes are irreversible, so that shows how entropy is defined in the second law of thermodynamics.
wiki wrote:Natural processes tend to go only one way, toward less usable energy and more disorder.
The less usable energy, the lower the temperature. At absolute zero, the entropy is a constant value( Third law).

Noconservative forces are manifestations of an energy transformation. There is no ideal machine in an ideal environment, the limits of the equation = totally isolated from the universe.

Conservative forces like gravity are just the glue while those nonconservative forces do their thing. Together they shape our universe.

The link is to my most recent video that I uploaded to my YouTube channel. https://youtu.be/wCt7nwU1ey0

When it comes to free energy or gravity power my main issue is that scientists ignore the laws which apply to conservation of momentum.
With a working wheel they can still say the acceleration based on a (which is d/t) = GM1/r1^2 = a = Gm2/r2^2. Any acceleration of a given mass
generates momentum. Physics clearly states that momentum can be conserved,
The question is how can linear momentum be conserved as angular momentum which allows for work? With enthalpy in a system, I have a good one for you. https://www.discovery.com/science/Empt ... t-Evidence
When getting into things like Einstein who said there is an æther, the tropopause might be an example of how a field can work independently
of the field it's in. When I talked about Noether's Theorem and Newton, the point where 2 gravitational fields interact with each other in equal opposition
should warp space. Around a planet, the Moon or Sun, space is not warped because g = Gm/r^2 shows a specific relationship between mass and
distance.
The location between the Earth and the Moon (Newton's original basis for his work) where gravity from both masses act equally on it would have twice
the energy of the gravitational fields acting on it. It'd be the same as if 2 bodies collide, combine acceleration/velocity. Same with pulling on a given
point in space.

p.s., As for my build, sometimes I need to take a break from it. Each step requires a different way of thinking. And when someone does
even a basic build, they'll find this much to be true. What this basically means is for any work to be done, a person needs to be mentally
prepared as well as having the work to be done prepped. It is a lot of work. Fortunately science gives me a much needed break from building.

p.s.s., eccentrically1, the only thing Noether's Theroem could actually describe is dark matter. It's the only "system" that remains constant when affected by another system. And Newton's g = Gm/r^2 proves this. And with me, I do need to stay within the framework of how I understand things. Dark matter is extremely conservative. Momentum is if you know how to conserve it.
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Technically speaking the only worked performed is rotating the wheel. And you'll disagree with that. w = m*d, right? For the line attached to the weight to perform work, its length needs to change between point A (fulcrum) and point B (weight).
Technically speaking, this design is no different from your last non-working design, which ialso has the same principle as many other failed models. You speak of math, but your design can be mathematically proven to not work. The movement of your weights are very simple and easy to calculate. Your design adds nothing usable to the non-working. You add nothing useful to BW.com
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Tarsier79 wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:37 pm
Technically speaking the only worked performed is rotating the wheel. And you'll disagree with that. w = m*d, right? For the line attached to the weight to perform work, its length needs to change between point A (fulcrum) and point B (weight).
Technically speaking, this design is no different from your last non-working design, which ialso has the same principle as many other failed models. You speak of math, but your design can be mathematically proven to not work. The movement of your weights are very simple and easy to calculate. Your design adds nothing usable to the non-working. You add nothing useful to BW.com

Thank you for your comment sir. Would you mind showing me your work, design, math, etc.? After all, your
discerning eye is based on your education and experience. What is it your father said? His credibility was based
on people failing. It is interesting that the experts in this forum base their credibility on other people's work.
And your post will make a nice addition to a show in Utrecht that will be done after I have Bessler's Wheel built.
After all, since it can't work then there's no need to prove you wrong. Of course when this is over I'll probably move
to Thailand. I think I'll be able to create some jobs there. People will find it odd that with my invention, AB Hammer
refused to work with me on it when he said he needs money.
And this is when I realized that people who already have it good don't want someone working to improve their situation.
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4; Like arrows in the hands of a warrior
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when they contend with their opponents in court.

What both the Torah (Judaism) and the Bible (Christianity) teach. And since you have a family I am your enemy.
And since you are ab hammer's good friend then you must be a devout Christian like him and walleyed boy. After
all, you guys learned in church that you are good because you have a family.
Isn't it odd that those 2 religions do not teach socialism? You know, that working with other people can make things
better for everybody. It's like they make nice cars in Sweden which is a socialist country like Norway.
And a man in Romania sent me all of his work on his invention. I let him know that I expect to be in Romania and
would be able to talk to him about it in person. I think I know how I can get it to work.
And turdsier, to discuss if any design can work, a person does need to be able to discuss math. If things work out
for me, it'll be because I worked through a serious medical condition and math gave me a direction. And I'll also say
that Bessler's Wheel could've been realized 5 years ago but I wasn't allowed to discuss it with people. And your post
is an excellent example of that.
And people might wonder why people like you don't like my pursuing surgery so I can have a life.
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weights fell off during the demo.

Other than that, it's a nice piece of yard art.
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With math, it can be as simple as f(x) = ∫ x cosø
See how easy that is? With the integral, limits can be set. Then if desired every
10º can be calculated, averaged and graphed. With the integral, the upper and lower
limit would be placed at the top and bottom of the integral. Whatever a person wants
to do with it.
Then -x cosø can be subtracted from x cosø to realize net torque. And then the net
torque for each section calculated can be added together. With Bessler's Wheel I just
used 8 weights as he suggested. This means that 4 sections of torque can be easily
factored to have a reasonable estimate. And this can easily be done in 15º or 22.5º
increment.
But then I know algebra, trigonometry and some calculus as well. It does help.
With what walleyed boy showed, tapered roller bearings might allow it to work. And as
Aldo Costa found out, a working wheel isn't enough to get people to notice it. Why I am
building on my invention. It needs to look good and go fast as well.And once that is
demonstrated and Bessler's Wheel is built then what walleyed boy showed will probably
be found in a museum. It would be a part of the work that I've done to realize Bessler's
Wheel. And then people will know that ideas need to be developed.
This is a video "short" and automatically repeats. The actual video is only 6 seconds long.
And this is why I believe tapered roller bearings would allow it to work. Tapered roller bearings
actually roll while other bearings might slide which is why grease is used as a lubricant.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nRafzpQD7Ww

Why I used spherical bearings is because they're easier to align. And people who don't build and
complain don't appreciate how difficult it is to get bearings to be aligned with a lot of precision
without having the tools to work with. I have thought of a unique way that would work and
once I have surgery I might try it.
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amazing what can be done with video looping.

What a clown show.
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