A new magnet motor...

[Techstuf]

Orfyan bearing

Egads! Not the infamous Orffyrean Bearing from the land of Woo-Woo!


We must have video of it in motion at once!



TS


Woo-Woo! All aboard......!

[ken_behrendt]

Did someone say "Orffyrean Roller Bearing"? Below is a WM2D model I did of what I imagine such a hypothetical bearing to look like. I was surprised that the model ran very smoothly.

ken

[primemignonite]

Ralph (rlortie)

Regarding your magnet configuration, it seems like you were going for a frictionless suspension, is that right? If the result balances without any extra-magnetic stabilization, then from where does the cogging come from, that was apparently, in the end, defeating of your original intention? You wrote there ". . . very low resistance . . .". Possibly from some dis-continuities of field in one or more of the magnets used? This is interesting. Maybe you could post a .jpg of it, or a drawing? Might not the problem be simply due to a flaw in just ONE of them?

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Sterling D. Allan, huh? I hadn't heard of him before you filled-in the blank, but his site sure is a good one, whoever he is. Lot's there to keep inquiring minds' gray cells going - as if Bessler's mystery was not already enough. I remember something: it was on that site where I first saw the amazing spring and ball wheel of Techstuff's. If it had not been for his device showing up there, I possibly would never have stumbled across Bessler's world! So, to him I owe a big debt of gratitude! I myself didn't try to duplicate it as others had - but disappointingly not working out for them - but this was no doubt due to inadequate understanding or inattention to his directions. As it is with Gary's wonders, the EXACT thing has to be gone for, or Mr. Disappointment is sure to come aknocking.

THE PROBLEM, I think, for all those who have endeavored to duplicate any of Gary's impressive accomplishments, lies in the fact that we do not have magnets anywhere near the decrepit quality that he had benefit of. As you may have gathered, Ralph, I have a strong notion (not yet theory) that it is the depletion of already stored energy, that accounts for ALL of the magnet jobs that successfully 'go of themselves'. In that early case, there was something about the largeness of those flux lines leaping out in Gary's less-than-ideal horseshoe magnets, that made it easier for him to achieve what he wanted to, and did. I do believe that his rotary as well as reciprocative devices worked, but, that they ran down the charge of the steel magnets, and voila!: The Fatal Flaw as far as magnetic PM goes, manifesting compliments of such an approach.

Also, he did NOT reveal the essentials of his movements in the Harper's pages, as might have rationally been expected; I am sure of it. Then as now, most inventors fall way short of the mark of being saints, and so as a result, keep close to themselves the best and most secret parts. OH YES! - have we not Bessler for a most perfect, greatly studied example of this apparent and lamentable fact?

PAX

James

[rlortie]

James,

You wrote:

Regarding your magnet configuration, it seems like you were going for a frictionless suspension, is that right? If the result balances without any extra-magnetic stabilization, then from where does the cogging come from, that was apparently, in the end, defeating of your original intention? You wrote there ". . . very low resistance . . .". Possibly from some dis-continuities of field in one or more of the magnets used? This is interesting. Maybe you could post a .jpg of it, or a drawing? Might not the problem be simply due to a flaw in just ONE of them?

Yes, I was going for a suspension for a vertical axis or more commonly called a thrust bearing. There is no other magnetic stabilization, but the horizontal or guide bearings is made up of needle points centered in very small brass bushings. the unit is free to spin and elevation will very with change of weight. Ambient temperature changes appear to have no effect.

The cogging is not noticeable and has no effect at desirable or even lower rpm. This cogging or chattering is only noticeable at very low (10) rpm just before and as the unit comes to a halt. The only explanation in my mind is that it is caused by the lines of force cutting each other between the rotating magnets and the stationary which support them.

I do not believe that it is caused by a flawed magnet as there does not seem to be any vertical movement during the cogging state.

Your mention of Gary and Harpers magazine to my thinking can compare to Howard Johnson and Science and Mechanics magazine. We know the latter depiction was an illistraters depiction. Harpers version of Gary may have common grounds.

Ralph

[turulato]

What do any of you know about this guy Kohei Minato?

http://www.gaiaguys.net/Minato.htm

It appears that the solution has being found, or has it?

What about that other guy, Tom Bearden? What he says sounds too fantastic to be credible.

What say you?

Turulato

[ken_behrendt]

turulato...

I read up on Minato after I heard about his wheel on various free energy sites. I think he has a company in Japan and manufactures fans or motors that are supposed to incorporate his ideas and which are supposed to be very energy efficient.

His wheel is basically a bicycle wheel with bar magnet arranged at various angles to the rim. One holds another magnet near the wheel and it then begins to rotate and can achieve a high speed.

However, there seems to be a theory that the wheel is not really OU/PM, but, rather, is actually "pumped" by the magnet held near it due to tremors in the hand of the person holding the magnet.

I think I read somewhere that his wheel does not work when a magnet is placed near it that is attached to a stand and not held.


ken

[rlortie]

Turulato,

Minato hold a number of US patents on his motor designs. these patentable motors all have electro magnets or coils and are no different than a pulse motor. The one you are talking about is the hand pumper. you are correct in stating that some one must keep the stator magnet in motion. To my knowledge this particular motor has not been patented.

My research in this field is what brought me to besserwheel.com ..
I believe that the use of gravity and pendulum can replace the hand holding of the stator magnet.

As for Tom Beardon, we were in the US Navy at the same time. We each received the same electronics schooling. He was full of hot air then and still is as far as I am concerned. His stationary Meg and energy from zero point is a bunch of hog wash. I still have the text manual that gave him the idea for his Meg. It is nothing more than a power controller known as a saturable reactor controlling AC current with a DC potential. All he did was replace a DC driven coil with a permanent magnet.

Ralph

[ken_behrendt]

Ralph...

You mentioned using pendula to pump a Minato wheel. I checked my morgue file of failed designs and found won that I did months ago in response to something you posted on another thread. I've attached it below for Turulato's perusal. I think I built a WM2D model of it, but it would not work...


ken

[rlortie]

Ken,

Yes we did discuss this and as then I thank you for your simulation. I am happy say that my research has well superseded this path of concept.

By the way I have been meaning to post the following patent number related to my desk top magnetic toy. It is #5,589,721. Look at figure #4 and imagine it in a mirror image with out the pendulum.

Ralph

[turulato]

Thank you Ken, that's what the website says.

Ok Ralph, I'll hurry up and get my wheel working so you can get your motor running :-)

Well if you knew that guy Tom and he was full of hot air back then, after all these years you would thing he would have run out of air, but I guess he must be a relative of the ever-ready bunny.

Turulato

[ken_behrendt]

Ralph...

I looked up the patent you cited and attached its fourth figure below with the abstract. I'm not sure how it is supposed to work though...


ken

[rlortie]

Ken,

It is all there in the patent, but I will attempt to explain in a shorter version. It is not ou or pm but requires batteries, battery life makes this thing very close to unity or a COP of 1

The base #93 being made up of a very small center tapped coil is hooked to a transistorized Hall switch. powered by four AA batterys. Pendulum #112 Has a small magnet (#113) in its bob. When bob passes over coil hidden in base it activates the Hall switch which in turn energizes the coil with a repelling polarity. the pendulum will gain in amplitude until it goes over the top. It will then continue to make full circles winding thread #122.

As thread becomes wound and shorter it pulls the axis in and closer to the suspension magnets. This in turn causes a reverse in rotation and the string unwinds. The pendulum then keeps turning until the string is tight again. it then simply cycles again.

My unit has three blades depicting a windmill. It turns five revolutions before changing direction. Upon direction change it rocks on the average of three swings before going over the top repeating cycle. The last battery change was good for 2 years and one month.

My idea of a total suspended axis is to cut the axle at #102 and add a mirror image. making a double ender. Two more repel supports (#100) would be added at ends of axel. A small button magnet is then installed to each end of axle in a repel mode to the two added repel supports. One of these repel magnets would be mounted on the end of an adjustment screw to obtain horizontal stabilization.

THe procedure is also a good example of a horizontal force acting upon a vertical output and vise-versa.

Ralph

[ken_behrendt]

Ralph...

Oh, I see...it's like one of those novelty gadgets one can buy at a shop in a mall. You set it up and a hidden, battery powered coil in the base keeps some rotor spinning about. The idea is to create a mysterious motion that looks like PM.

I notice that in this invention they were, like my friend and myself, unable to achieve a completely free, horizontally suspended rotor and have to rely upon a low friction attachment to a post extending up vertically from its base.


ken

[ovyyus]

Ken, I don't think anyone has achieved a totally free permanent magnet suspension that is stable. The 'Levitron' toy was a bit of a breakthrough in this regard but it isn't passive of course - gyroscopic action maintains it's stability.

[rlortie]

Ken,

Yes, you now have it figured.

I notice that in this invention they were, like my friend and myself, unable to achieve a completely free, horizontally suspended rotor and have to rely upon a low friction attachment to a post extending up vertically from its base.

This is true, but if you read my above last paragraph, I believe this can be overcome as described. I do not believe a repelling field will act any difference relating to a vertical or horizontal application.

As I describe one could then mount a dynamically balanced wheel in the center. Two opposing coils could drive it. I believe that with low air resistance (very smooth wheel) the rpm of such a device could be extremely high.