Part Three is the Charm

[Tarsier79]

I am completely missing the RB part of this build.

There is a reason RB works the way it does. It equates to the vertical movement of the weight compared to vertical movement of another weight or force. I think many of us have tried lifting with RB on one side and dropping using leverage on the other.

A weight is "felt" where it is, regardless of a resting rim stop or an axis mounted support. There are some exceptions to the rule, but they have not been usable for me.

[mryy]

I am completely missing the RB part of this build.

There is a reason RB works the way it does. It equates to the vertical movement of the weight compared to vertical movement of another weight or force. I think many of us have tried lifting with RB on one side and dropping using leverage on the other.

A weight is "felt" where it is, regardless of a resting rim stop or an axis mounted support. There are some exceptions to the rule, but they have not been usable for me.

Only half of an RB is utilized in this design. That's why I call it "Roberval-like". A typical RB has two halves -- two quadrilaterals on opposite sides of a center column support, with horizontal weight-carrying platforms affixed immovably to the vertical beams. Where the weights are placed on the platform space makes no difference to the scale, only their mass. A neat effect that we want to take advantage of on the wheel's ascending side. In mine there is only one quadrilateral/parallelogram, and the attached lever (platform) is able to swing rather freely about 180 deg. See upload.

It's just a theory that the half-RB will behave similarly to an actual RB. If it does, it can possibly lead to a runner. And a tethered wheel is easier to fine tune than an untethered one I think.

[mryy]

"the rain flows"
"the rifle fires"
"the cunning cat creeps quietly, and catches nice fat mice" [The cat is the spring and the evading mice are the weights.]
"here wander a large herd [of] very fat, lazy, thick horses"
-- AP Poem Stewart

The above lines suggest to me movement of the weights. Interpreting them I modified the lever end by incorporating a narrow compartment for the weights to roll back and forth inside.

[WaltzCee]

It's just a theory that the half-RB will behave similarly to an actual RB. If it does, it can possibly lead to a runner.

like a stork's bill?

And a tethered wheel is easier to fine tune than an untethered one I think.

the rolling ball wheels might be thought of as un*tethered. Do you think that's so?

[mryy]

It's just a theory that the half-RB will behave similarly to an actual RB. If it does, it can possibly lead to a runner.

like a stork's bill?

And a tethered wheel is easier to fine tune than an untethered one I think.

the rolling ball wheels might be thought of as un*tethered. Do you think that's so?

If I rightly understood, yeah a half-RB can be likened to a stork's bill unit in the sense that they are movable quadrilaterals. Here, the former's two adjacent corners are mounted on the wheel frame like the way the middle pivots of a true RB are mounted on the center support column.

IMO rolling ball wheels are tethered. The balls despite moving are in constant contact with the wheel at any point in time.

[mryy]

B.'s preface of MT stated that combining a number of drawings could lead to PM. It got me thinking: What if one were able to take a photo snapshot of an actual uni-directional B. wheel? What would the wheel look like? I'm speaking of its cosmetic or superficial appearance -- its semblance. Are there any MT drawings that resemble a snapshot look of a B. wheel? I believe so. I am thinking MT15 and MT11. I arrived at these two drawings by reading between the lines of his notes on them. Okay so it is my subjective conclusion ...

Let's start with MT15. It is the only wheel where B. explicitly uses the phrase "prime mover." Why mention it here and not the others of MT? My sense is that when B. first glanced at MT15 he noticed a visual resemblance to his runner wheel. MT15 shows two sets of lines/levers emanating radially, one set being shorter than the other. The two sets are arranged in an alternating pattern and connected to each other. The short line swings and in doing so pulls/operates the longer line. So a B. runner wheel visually has radially projecting short and long lines that alternate and are linked. Now, upon further inspection B. saw that MT15 was missing the perpetual motion mechanism. Hence he writes, "nothing of the prime mover's source can be seen or deduced ..." This leads us to the next question: What does the prime mover look like? Is there a MT drawing that shows the appearance, if superficially, of the mover? I believe it's MT11.

MT11 depicts some semblance of the prime mover via the inner wheel, imo. In the notes B. mentions disclosing the "correct principle". I believe this principle is nothing other than the prime mover. Looking at edge of the inner wheel of MT11, it shows short lines/levers that can swing and are connected to each other via cord. So a B. prime mover visually is an inner wheel ("grindstone") with swiveling connected short lines attached at its edge.

Combining the two drawings, it is my belief that a line rendition (sans the connecting cords/tensions/chains) of a nonspecific B. runner wheel is something like the second upload.

[mryy]

Further evidence that a B. wheel exhibits alternating short and long radial lines is the metaphor of the peacock tail in AP. The shorter eye feathers alternate with the longer 'T' feathers. Yeah I like that ...

[mryy]

In the last design the free/unmounted corners of the Roberval-like parallelograms around the grindstone face the rim of the wheel. This time I reversed their orientation and they now face the center axle. See upload for grindstone view (not drawn to accuracy). My theory is that on the ascending side the inward facing parallelograms produce an opposing torque (that is in the same direction as the descending-side torque?) which further aids in:

1. Mitigating back rotation
2. Lifting the levers past 12:00

Really hope you like ...

[mryy]

Just a re-visit here. Way back in this or my other topic I proposed that item A of the Toys Page (TP) represents connecting wagons. See photo of a wooden toy train set. In the old days German miners employed horse-drawn wagons to transport ores. These wagons roll on tracks. And the front profile of these tracks (same as any train tracks) resembles .... a ladder!

Coincidentally there exists a toy called Jacob's *Ladder* (JL). I agree with those who believe item B is JL because of the tilted line at the top and the alternating dots below. (Some even believe item A is its other profile showing only the toy's cords ... maybe. But B. did say there are 5 distinct games not 4 with one having two profiles.) Besides its namesake B holds information about some movement like the other items of TP. When operating this toy one block flips down in the direction opposite to the one before it. Is there some significance to this alternating flipping motion?

B. drew A and B next to each other on the right side of the page. I think he may be hinting that there are two mechanisms working in unison. Note how A and B's dots line up as though a pair. I imagine one mechanism's (A) main function is to carry the weight and the other's (B) is to swing. They mutually affect each other during each rotation of the wheel. Possibly some alternating or opposite swing pattern occurs too.


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"Do we not see that certain people are able to bring the Earth's treasures out of the dark depths to the light of day? Others then purge these with fire, without perceiving the dangers and difficulties experienced by the first group. Yet others take these treasures, after they have been purged and refined, and, without in any way participating in the foul drudgeries of the first and second groups, fashion them, with indescribable skill, for the benefit of mankind. But we do not see the jewellers, the goldsmiths, silversmiths, coppersmiths and blacksmiths cursing and slandering the miners and foundry workers for the necessary work they had to do on the material they require for their arts; and this is in stark contrast to the fate I had to suffer subsequent to my excavation of, bringing to light of, and refining of, a Mechanical Principle which will be to the benefit of everyone, and to the great advantage of, innumerable enterprises." DT 210

[mryy]

At the bottom of the Toys Page (TP) a note says that applying the 5 games differently will lead to something special or extraordinary. I interpret this as it will lead to a runner wheel and such a runner will have elements of all these 5 games. I believe these 5 games/mechanisms form a set and there are multiples of this set in the wheel.

Let's discuss the top and bottom hammermen toys C and D. The C figures have arms whereas the D figures appearing to be wrapped in a shroud (looking like burial corpses) do not. What is the significance? These are my interpretations:

1. B. drew the armless D figures to call attention to the (bent) arms of the C figures.
2. D plays an indirect/passive/secondary role in relation to C.
3. The coiled D figures hint at the presence of springs.

Furthermore C figures are holding the typical metalsmithing hammers. D figures appear to be wielding brick hammers which are used to chip away stones (ores), bricks, etc. I interpret this as D doing general work and C targeted work.

From these interpretations I updated my last prime mover (see April 12 post) to include a second Roberval-like pantograph. I labeled the mechanisms corresponding to the items in TP. Only B and E are missing for lack of space, but they are configured exactly like my last wheel (see April 1 post, where E would have been the quadrilateral connecting the weight levers and B, the double torsion spring.) One end of D is mounted to pivots at the grindstone edge. C is nested inside and mounted to the other end of D. Lever A is attached to C. All three mechanisms A, B and C have some range of motion in their swings.

This is how the proposed prime mover works. On the descending side of a moving wheel D begins to swing down toward the axle. C swings in the opposite direction toward the wheel's rim. The alternating swing movements resemble Jacob's Ladder toy in action. Also the swinging of C and D together form an image of a bent arm.

Really hope you like. I really do ...


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"So, feeling myself to be in a sense like an organist, it is perhaps not surprising that I began to take a great interest in these splendid instruments. Their subtle mechanisms fascinated me. Soon no craft began to give me more pleasure than that of the organmaker. I learned things I had never known before, and they gave me untold joy. I consulted many a volume written by those men of former times who held this art in high regard. And indeed, I found there all I could wish for. If I hadn't undertaken organ-craft [bell cranks/levers/push-pull rods], I would probably not have achieved the Mobile. It prepared me for the Primum Mobile, and accompanied me on the true path towards it. God chose this noble channel [organ-craft] to send forth my work into the vale of tears that is our world, and bring solace to those who labor. Every land shall marvel when it learns of my invention." AP 267

[Fletcher]

Who did your translation mryy ?

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"So, feeling myself to be in a sense like an organist, it is perhaps not surprising that I began to take a great interest in these splendid instruments. Their subtle mechanisms fascinated me. Soon no craft began to give me more pleasure than that of the organmaker. I learned things I had never known before, and they gave me untold joy. I consulted many a volume written by those men of former times who held this art in high regard. And indeed, I found there all I could wish for. If I hadn't undertaken organ-craft [bell cranks/levers/push-pull rods], I would probably not have achieved the Mobile. It prepared me for the Primum Mobile, and accompanied me on the true path towards it. God chose this noble channel [organ-craft] to send forth my work into the vale of tears that is our world, and bring solace to those who labor. Every land shall marvel when it learns of my invention." AP 267

Here's AP digital (Mike Senior) ..

XXI. So, feeling myself to be in a sense like an organist, it is perhaps not surprising that I began to take a great interest in these splendid instruments, which I often encountered in the course of my travels. Their subtle mechanisms fascinated me. Soon no craft began to give me more pleasure than that of the organ-maker. I learned things I had never known before, and they gave me untold joy. I resolved, with God's blessing, to associate with those people through whom I might firmly acquire the fundamentals of this new knowledge. I also consulted many a volume written by those men of former times who held this art in high regard. And indeed, I found there all I could wish for. I happened to have a relative, also called Bessler, who was an artist, organ-maker and turner. I thought his skills might be of use to me, so I approached him and took him into my confidence, knowing I could trust him. Soon I was getting him to build machines. His constructions were precise and often on a massive scale. And yes - an attempt at a Mobile was made, back-breaking effort went into it. All the time I was diligently ordering the construction of new organs. It reached the point where my rivals called me a "mere organ-maker". The fools did not know what my real purpose was. If I hadn't undertaken such enterprises, I would probably not have achieved the Mobile. So, vain fools, do not criticise one of the finest arts. A proper organ-maker deserves to be ennobled for his efforts. Donkeys, what right have you to bray - you have no creative ability. God be praised that, through organ-making, all things turned out successfully for me! You, my enemy, are a ridiculous grinning beer-swilling buffoon, and you know nothing about organ-craft. I praise God a thousand-fold that I do know it. All the different registers, stops, chords and key-boards in their almost infinite subtle variety - all this, I say, prepared me for the Primum Mobile, and accompanied me on the true path towards it. God chose this noble channel to send forth my work into the vale of tears that is our world, and bring solace to those who labour. Every land shall marvel when it learns of my invention. So too shall they listen in awed silence as I relate the vain labours I was destined to complete before I perfected my machine.

[mryy]

Who did your translation mryy ?

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"So, feeling myself to be in a sense like an organist, it is perhaps not surprising that I began to take a great interest in these splendid instruments. Their subtle mechanisms fascinated me. Soon no craft began to give me more pleasure than that of the organmaker. I learned things I had never known before, and they gave me untold joy. I consulted many a volume written by those men of former times who held this art in high regard. And indeed, I found there all I could wish for. If I hadn't undertaken organ-craft [bell cranks/levers/push-pull rods], I would probably not have achieved the Mobile. It prepared me for the Primum Mobile, and accompanied me on the true path towards it. God chose this noble channel [organ-craft] to send forth my work into the vale of tears that is our world, and bring solace to those who labor. Every land shall marvel when it learns of my invention." AP 267

Here's AP digital (Mike Senior) ..

XXI. So, feeling myself to be in a sense like an organist, it is perhaps not surprising that I began to take a great interest in these splendid instruments, which I often encountered in the course of my travels. Their subtle mechanisms fascinated me. Soon no craft began to give me more pleasure than that of the organ-maker. I learned things I had never known before, and they gave me untold joy. I resolved, with God's blessing, to associate with those people through whom I might firmly acquire the fundamentals of this new knowledge. I also consulted many a volume written by those men of former times who held this art in high regard. And indeed, I found there all I could wish for. I happened to have a relative, also called Bessler, who was an artist, organ-maker and turner. I thought his skills might be of use to me, so I approached him and took him into my confidence, knowing I could trust him. Soon I was getting him to build machines. His constructions were precise and often on a massive scale. And yes - an attempt at a Mobile was made, back-breaking effort went into it. All the time I was diligently ordering the construction of new organs. It reached the point where my rivals called me a "mere organ-maker". The fools did not know what my real purpose was. If I hadn't undertaken such enterprises, I would probably not have achieved the Mobile. So, vain fools, do not criticise one of the finest arts. A proper organ-maker deserves to be ennobled for his efforts. Donkeys, what right have you to bray - you have no creative ability. God be praised that, through organ-making, all things turned out successfully for me! You, my enemy, are a ridiculous grinning beer-swilling buffoon, and you know nothing about organ-craft. I praise God a thousand-fold that I do know it. All the different registers, stops, chords and key-boards in their almost infinite subtle variety - all this, I say, prepared me for the Primum Mobile, and accompanied me on the true path towards it. God chose this noble channel to send forth my work into the vale of tears that is our world, and bring solace to those who labour. Every land shall marvel when it learns of my invention. So too shall they listen in awed silence as I relate the vain labours I was destined to complete before I perfected my machine.

I source many clues from here:

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Comparing to Senior's translation there was a bit missing in the the passage I quoted! Thanks.


Correction to my previous post: "All three mechanisms A, C and D have some range of motion in their swings."

[Fletcher]

Thanks mryy ..

Summary .. Bessler sings the praises of organ-craft .. i.e. both the manual skills he learned in the craft, AND the almost infinite subtle variety of the mechanisms within an organ which he learned and understood - these were crucial/essential to him achieving his true PM Machine.

My distilled content and context ..

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... Their subtle mechanisms fascinated me. ... I learned things I had never known before ... I found there all I could wish for.

... If I hadn't undertaken organ-craft [bell cranks/levers/push-pull rods], I would probably not have achieved the Mobile.

... It prepared me for the Primum Mobile, and accompanied me on the true path towards it.

Here's AP digital (Mike Senior) ..

XXI. ... Their subtle mechanisms fascinated me. ... I learned things I had never known before, ... I found there all I could wish for.

... If I hadn't undertaken such enterprises (me .. building organs), I would probably not have achieved the Mobile.

... through organ-making, all things turned out successfully for me!

... All the different registers, stops, chords and key-boards in their almost infinite subtle variety - all this, I say, prepared me for the Primum Mobile, and accompanied me on the true path towards it.

My Conclusion .. manual craft skills can be gained from various sources over time, and be transferable, and refined or specialized e.g. a carpenter can become a cabinet maker or go on to make guitars or violins etc. Organ-craft apparently short circuited B's. development of the finer skills process ..

Essentially what B. gained was a greater understanding of the subtlety and variety of mechanisms involved in organ making .. and working daily in this context and environment he let his mind filter these subtle mechanisms until they sparked a mechanical implementation idea, which he was able to successfully develop into a working runner (PM Machine).

In short .. subtle application of mechanical "principles" lead to a mechanism that would form the basis of his runners, imo.

ETA : I don't believe he stumbled upon one panacea mechanism in organs that lead him to a runner .. but some subtle MA and force redirection techniques he observed inspired him on to other combinations of mechanics and possibilities ..

[mryy]

Thanks mryy ..

Summary .. Bessler sings the praises of organ-craft .. i.e. both the manual skills he learned in the craft, AND the almost infinite subtle variety of the mechanisms within an organ which he learned and understood - these were crucial/essential to him achieving his true PM Machine.

My distilled content and context ..

Select Quote:

... Their subtle mechanisms fascinated me. ... I learned things I had never known before ... I found there all I could wish for.

... If I hadn't undertaken organ-craft [bell cranks/levers/push-pull rods], I would probably not have achieved the Mobile.

... It prepared me for the Primum Mobile, and accompanied me on the true path towards it.

Here's AP digital (Mike Senior) ..

XXI. ... Their subtle mechanisms fascinated me. ... I learned things I had never known before, ... I found there all I could wish for.

... If I hadn't undertaken such enterprises (me .. building organs), I would probably not have achieved the Mobile.

... through organ-making, all things turned out successfully for me!

... All the different registers, stops, chords and key-boards in their almost infinite subtle variety - all this, I say, prepared me for the Primum Mobile, and accompanied me on the true path towards it.

My Conclusion .. manual craft skills can be gained from various sources over time, and be transferable, and refined or specialized e.g. a carpenter can become a cabinet maker or go on to make guitars or violins etc. Organ-craft apparently short circuited B's. development of the finer skills process ..

Essentially what B. gained was a greater understanding of the subtlety and variety of mechanisms involved in organ making .. and working daily in this context and environment he let his mind filter these subtle mechanisms until they sparked a mechanical implementation idea, which he was able to successfully develop into a working runner (PM Machine).

In short .. subtle application of mechanical "principles" lead to a mechanism that would form the basis of his runners, imo.

ETA : I don't believe he stumbled upon one panacea mechanism in organs that lead him to a runner .. but some subtle MA and force redirection techniques he observed inspired him on to other combinations of mechanics and possibilities ..

Notice also that the inside mechanism of pipe organs involves plenty of linkages and pivots. It would not surprise me that B. runners were similar in that respect. I mean just look at the Toys Page.

And here's to subtlety (GIF file):


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[WaltzCee]