WaltzCee wrote:no, he did not. He died before he could build his idea, but it wasn't the answer.
Who said he didn't build it? JM did build it and it didn't work.
IIRC jim_mich 99.7% completed his build, and it sat at that for a long time. I'm guessing it wasn't a runner. Then he started spruiking the idea that he could use the same concept but with fluids and PVC pipe which was cheaper and easier to build than his first mechanical POP. His PLAN was to send out kit-sets to certain members to build their own. AFAIK these kit-sets were not produced or sent out to anybody - and if they were no one reported in that they had received one or had a jim_mich runner. His brother (so he said) joined the discussions for a while after jim's passing. "I might be wrong".
ovyyus wrote:One day soon we'll be able to train an AI on the contents of this forum. I wonder how it'll cope with all the nonsense :D
AI trained on this forum will be like DNA analysis was to forensic investigation. No escaping or hiding lol.
ETA : I wonder if it could do complex decoding from text, and pictures ? Wouldn't that be a bonus !
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Fletcher wrote:His PLAN was to send out kit-sets to certain members to build their own. AFAIK these kit-sets were not produced or sent out to anybody
JM told me they were in production, which was step F] on his master plan. He then abandoned his definition of step A]. JM couldn't get it to work but he wouldn't admit defeat - a classic PM epitaph!
Step A]
jim_mich's THE PLAN wrote:
A] First get something that works!!!
B] Take steps to insure the idea survives in case of calamity.
C] Define the principle or the reason why it works!
D] Design a simple cheap working POP (proof of principle) sample model.
F] Build as many of these models as money/time/reasoning suggest.
G] Plan Ad campaign, including literature, web space, documentation, etc.
H] Write patent applications for most major countries.
I] Prepare a list of names, addresses of who is to receive what.
J] Always continue research into increasing power output and alternate designs.
K] Load up on liability and life insurance.
L] When all is prepared, file patents, upload web site, mail plans, ship models, etc. Hit the media hard! Make a sensation! Be on the evening news worldwide.
preoccupied's THE PLAN
1. Find something
2. Post online
3. Complain that people are ignoring your good idea
4. See if you have something that works
5. Find something that works
6. Possibly get someone else to build it because I'm an idiot with tools
7. Public knows how to build perpetual motion machine
8. Demand infinite wealth for your idea by lobbying to governments and filing patents
9. Tell everybody they shouldn't use gravity wheels because it will kill the entire human race by offsetting Earth's orbit
10. Watch humanity die
Imagine if this AI could translate, decode, find patterns and decipher them, in text and pictures (in any style or language), and make or extrapolate cohesive logical deductions and accurate conclusions based on partial or full information - basically do what we attempt to do now wrt B., only without the effort and time involved.
B. was a product of his time and education, and habits. He would have ingrained subconscious "tells or reads" that AI would see right thru. Nothing would be out of reach or hidden as it probed into yours or his psych.
** Pulling the belt buckle a notch tighter lol.
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So far AI is programmed with thermodynamic laws. Until those laws change, it won't change; I've asked it how JB might have gotten his wheels to perform. It responds that Pm is impossible, etc., so it must have been a fraud.
When asked how he would have defrauded everyone, it gives general responses about magic techniques (misdirection) and others, but nothing specific; presumably because it can't use the drawings.
It would be nice if it had the ability to solve the mystery given the illustrations to analyze, but until then we have to wait.
eccentrically1 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:05 pm
It would be nice if it had the ability to solve the mystery given the illustrations to analyze, but until then we have to wait.
We shouldn't expect anything from AI, except a constant improvement in the way we formulate our answer... 😊
The problem here is that the question is poorly posed.
We all know that B designed and made several wheels, were they perpetual?
There is no way out in that direction, however harnessing stored energy in a subtle way is not out of the question.
A++
Not everything I present is functional, but a surprise can't be completely ruled out.Greetings.
As long as AI only operates within the framework of our humanly adopted laws of nature, we will continue to receive the following answer (this from ChatGPT):
Making a perpetual motion device is impossible according to the laws of thermodynamics.
The first law of thermodynamics, also known as the law of conservation of energy, states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred or converted from one form to another. This means that a perpetual motion device, which would continue to operate indefinitely without any external energy input, is impossible.
The second law of thermodynamics, also known as the law of entropy, states that the total entropy (a measure of disorder or randomness) of a closed system will always increase over time. This means that as a machine runs, it will eventually lose energy to friction and other forms of heat dissipation, making it impossible for it to continue running indefinitely.
Together, these laws of thermodynamics mean that perpetual motion devices are impossible and any claims of such devices should be viewed with skepticism.
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what the hell, say whatever you want, your mouth
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This is Bing's AI Chat when asked about the next ChatGPT upgrade.
"ChatGPT is a conversational AI that can chat with you, answer follow-up questions, and challenge incorrect assumptions. It is powered by OpenAI’s GPT technology, which is a generative AI that can create text based on a given input. ChatGPT has been upgraded several times since its launch in 2022, with the latest version being GPT-4, which was released in March 2023. GPT-4 introduced features such as multimodal input, multiple languages, improved performance, and plugins for web browsing and online shopping2.
According to some sources, OpenAI is working on a big GPT-5 upgrade for ChatGPT, which is expected to be released in late 2023. GPT-5 might be the most important ChatGPT update to date, as it could introduce features such as voice input and output, video analysis and generation, emotion recognition and expression, and more advanced reasoning and learning capabilities. However, these are only speculations and OpenAI has not confirmed any details about GPT-5 yet."
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