AP Geometry

[agor95]

Hi All

It has been bugging me for many years. Why does the Black & White segments have their angles as they are?

Would 90 black and 30 white be more logical?

Any Ideas?

The first thought is the need to cover the disc.

To simplify the analysis just think about a pair of Black & White segments. Their angles have to add up to 120 degrees.

However this could be achieved with many combinations like (90, 30), (75, 45) or (98.3, 21.7) to name a few.

Regards

[John Collins]

http://www.theorffyreuscode.com/html/a ... wheel.html

JC

[agor95]

Hello John

Of cause you are quite right as your work is definitely AP and Geometry.

I have done some intense coding today. So I have gone temporary word blind.

Doing a quick check it looks like the 98.3 and 21.7 in create from the size of the central hub and a pentagram.

My analysis just used a T-pendulum

Thank for your help.

P.S. The AP Wheel is a big clue compact and profound.

Regards

[WaltzCee]

Of Course is a correct phrase. For example:

+Do you like ice cream?

Of course, everybody likes ice cream.

+Do you have to do the assignment today?

Of course, I have to do it.

Of cause is not a proper phrase. Cause sounds more like a "cause and effect". For example:

He died of an unknown cause.

You can see that there is something between of and cause here. Therefore, we can't use of cause as a separate phrase. It's not correct.

[agor95]

Hello All

Apologies for the garish colours in the image below. Of course one would not want to make a meal of it, but you might see a T-pendulum with two grey masses almost vertical and a blue mass almost horizontal.

The hoops follow the three axial plains and are coloured to allow ease of communication at the expense of getting a migraine.

You should notice a black and white segments where the white is 21.7 and the black is 98.3 degrees. Which total 120 degrees.

This tilted T-pendulum would respond to translation in the hoop plains shown.

The two internal disc guides represent two imaginary T-pendulums. Each tilted along their plain. That being the green and red plain.
The green one shows the sweep of the blue arm [not present] and the same is true for another imaginary T-pendulum along the red plain.

You can think of these as the decomposition of the real T-Pendulum into it's orthogonal components.

The real T-Pendulum can be produce by tilting the T-Pendulum from vertical along the green hoop by 21.7 degrees then rotating it CCW by 45 degrees around the vertical axis shown.

As a result the two disc guides are rotated in response.

The Method

After creating the Tilted T-Pendulum and disc guides. The real Blue arms is rotated until it reaches the disc guide crossing point. There are two potential crossing points. So you use the lowest.

Form there you sweep two segments from the vertical axis one white to the top T-Pendulum mass and the other from the top to the Blue T-Pendulum arm

Note.

I have looked at different title angles where tilt 0 degrees [white segment] results in a 90 degrees [black segment]. totalling 90 degrees.

A tilt angle of white 90 degrees causes a black 180 segment. Therefore a 270 degree total.

Based on this logic the total goes from 90 to 270 degrees and must pass 120 degrees at some point.

That tilt angle agrees with the AP wheel to a reasonable degree.

Conclusion

The could be a coincidence or an over active imagination [right-brain].

That is for you to decide if the dynamic forces on a T-Pendulum tilted by 21.7 is true. Then was this the intended answer to the code within the AP wheel.
The segments ration of 21.7 and 98.3 is the only solution to the AP wheel.

It shows of course a possible internal structure using a T-Pendulum. I await this post to cause an effect in the readers.

Regards


All The Best

[Tarsier79]

I don't understand the image or your description of it. Perhaps it is just me.

For more complex designs you might need a few diagrams describing one or two components each? Perhaps an animation?

[agor95]

http://www.theorffyreuscode.com/html/a ... wheel.html

JC

I have visited your link to look at it again.

The use of construction line have done a good jobs at defining the segments.
The pentagram is fixed. The hub on the other hand could be conceded to be a variable.

There is a relationship were the hub size has an affect on the segment size.

Note. I see the large sections a grey [stippled etching] against white segments with black boarder.

But until this thread I did not have an opinion on what in the driver.
May be the hub size causing the segment size. Or the segment size being the driver.

So it comes down to why was the angles for the black and white segment chosen?
Why not 90/30 and create the hub size to fit?

The analysis on this thread hints at the driver being the segment ratio.

However I am open to any other better rational.

Regards

[agor95]

I don't understand the image or your description of it. Perhaps it is just me.

For more complex designs you might need a few diagrams describing one or two components each? Perhaps an animation?

I understand; If I were to see and read this thread cold. Then my mind would blank at the abstract art.
And the light bulb of enlightenment would go out on the text after a few lines.

I did post the result of the thread first.

We have seen so many threads were a member post a little bit at a time drawing us on until hopefully getting to the end.
What end theirs or the thread is open to chance.

So here we are; I am alive and the conclusion of the thread is done!

What on earth are we looking at?

I have removed some complexity.

You see the front view with a green disc to indicate the Blue mass pivots around the titled axis.

The other yellow line is a vertical base line.

The next view is a top down showing the tilt resulting in the top mass being move to the left and down by the same amount.

Note. The 3d model is on my website so Private Message me if you want access. Then I will power up the server.

P.S. Are any members gaining insight from this post?

Regards

[Robinhood46]

This is a very good example of what is going on in most threads on this site (my opinion obviously). We rarely understand what the other members are trying to tell/show/describe to us. I don't think it is the fault of one or the other, but more just a consequence of how us humans are.
I haven't got a clue what you are trying to show us Agor, nothing makes any sense to me, and i am very confident that what you are showing us makes perfect sense to you.

[agor95]

Hello All

Thank you for your posts.

I agree we can be so focused on our ideas the art of communication dies.

This thread is about the AP Wheel being a clue.

Also a possible reason why the sections in the wheel have been chosen.

I hope this post can be a base to move forward.

Can we agree the image could be thought of as a T-Pendulum?

Regards

[Tarsier79]

Ok, So we have a tilted T pendulum and it is spinning off the vertical axis. I tried re-reading the first post but I will have to wait for further explanation.

As usual, I am looking for: What does this give us?

[agor95]

Ok, So we have a tilted T pendulum and it is spinning off the vertical axis. I tried re-reading the first post but I will have to wait for further explanation.

As usual, I am looking for: What does this give us?

What it gives me is a hint that the AP Wheel segment 98.3 + 21.7 appear when studying pendulums that are titled as shown.

John analysis gives me the possibility that Bessler supplied construction lines too enforce the segment sizes presented in the engraving.

What we all want is the next step to a PM device.

Is this post in line with your wishes.

All the Best

[agor95]

This is a very good example of what is going on in most threads on this site (my opinion obviously). We rarely understand what the other members are trying to tell/show/describe to us. I don't think it is the fault of one or the other, but more just a consequence of how us humans are.
I haven't got a clue what you are trying to show us Agor, nothing makes any sense to me, and i am very confident that what you are showing us makes perfect sense to you.

I would really like to know what site other than this is better for human communication on this PM Wheel topic?

What I observed while studying tilted pendulums make no sense to me in creating a PM device.

But the chance a 98.3 + 21.7 degrees in the AP Wheel segments on the engraving should appear at all surprised me.

One could say the John's construction line over the AP Wheel create a 'I haven't got a clue' response.

When the context is how to create a PM device.

You have a choice either take some time and ask questions. This will result in you understanding this observation.

Or wait for a simulation of a PM device created from the observation.

All the Best

[Robinhood46]

I would really like to know what site other than this is better for human communication on this PM Wheel topic?

The only forum i can think of where things might be better is a forum that authorises aliens.
I haven't found one that does (i don't count the lizard people, because they're not real) so i think our best bet is to stay here. I think it is the best forum by far for discussing PM, even if we do have our limitations in understanding each other.

[agor95]

I think our best bet is to stay here. I think it is the best forum by far for discussing PM, even if we do have our limitations in understanding each other.

Well us humans will have to wait for those aliens to abduction more of us to get telepathy.

Regards