Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[Sam Peppiatt]

Up date,
Best I can tell the bell cranks won't work; have to find another way. Maybe a storks bill would work. Yes, that might do it. The heavy disk(s) would lift the storks bill weight in and up at 6:00 and out and up at 12:00.

What say all ye open minded critics------------------------Sam

PS SHADOW, you should try it.

[Sam Peppiatt]

The makings of a runner,
The more I think about it the better I like it. The storks bill reverses the direction of motion. When the roller pushes down, the weight(s) lift up at 12 & 6. All they have been lacking is the prime mover, (discs), to activate them. Also, the wheel should turn in either direction just by giving it a push to select which way, if that means any thing.

What could go wrong------------------------------Sam

[Robinhood46]

What could go wrong------------------------------Sam

Other than absolutely everything, i can't see what could go wrong.
Good luck.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Robinhood46,
I was thinking the same thing. But, then maybe nothing; one can only hope. Thanks RH46! I need some good luck-------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

Storks Bill update,
The new drive will incorporate a single stage Storks Bill for lifting the weights up at 12 & 6. With little or no MA up or down on either side of it's fixed pivot point. The wheel will be more or less balanced at 9 & 3 and top heavy at the 12:00 position.

The discs or prime mover, will do the heavy lifting. Maybe it's due for some good luck-------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

NOT working! What can I say, another dead duck-----------------Sam

[WaltzCee]

What the duck, Sam?!

Well, put it in the freezer for the holidays. I've been putting a pencil to some past ideas. Just now I drew what I believe is the real deal.

It senses when it's right side up, then injects an out-of-balance force into the rotation. After it counts 180 degrees of rotation, it becomes the Indian giver, it takes the out-of-balance back.

It's a semi-sentient design, yet I'm afraid it might become self-aware.

Should I keep truckin'?

[Sam Peppiatt]

God love you Waltcy!!
I think so; keep it going; it's a worth while endeavor. What the Duck!!!!!!--------------------------------Sam

PS Robinhood46 you were right; every thing can go wrong, when it comes to a gravity wheel.

[JUBAT]

What the duck, Sam?!

Well, put it in the freezer for the holidays. I've been putting a pencil to some past ideas. Just now I drew what I believe is the real deal.

It senses when it's right side up, then injects an out-of-balance force into the rotation. After it counts 180 degrees of rotation, it becomes the Indian giver, it takes the out-of-balance back.

It's a semi-sentient design, yet I'm afraid it might become self-aware.

Should I keep truckin'?

I like this. A self righting mechanism perhaps that goes out of balance enough to go inverted and the cycle repeats. Just make sure IT spins and it's not you spinning while looking at it. Also don't go Reed Timmer on us and shout ROTATION at the top of your lungs if it spins.

[WaltzCee]

One day man will connect his apparatus to the very wheel work of the universe. The very forces that motivate the planets in their orbits and cause them to rotate will rotate his own machinery.

I wonder if Nikola was a prophet.

ETA
I will bet you when federal authorities raided his room after his death, they found nothing describing how to do it.

I'd bet my left nut.
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[WaltzCee]

Between that GIF from WC and SHADOW's graphic - I'm seeing some truth and some cleverness.

WC's graphic from DS2000 shows some important detail - using a multi-stage lever (finger nail clipper style of lever) to help lift a weight and then once lifted, the weight is no longer hung from the wheel but rests on an inner support. Once the weight is brought to noon and dumped out of its support, does the weight transfer back to the rim of the wheel. I suspect the problem once again would be getting the weight to rise at the bottom, but perhaps SHADOW's diagram with the 2 into 1 into 2 into 1 is the way at which the torque is transferred and focused down to assist lifting the bottom weight.

There's hope for sure - just not in my lifetime.

My guess is some time before the next celebration of the birth of Messiah, a working GPGD wheel will manifest on the face of this Earth.

Was that too profound? brb, need to collect some stuff.

[WaltzCee]

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I wanted to get out of Shadow's shadow.

So verbose, yet mostly ear*elephant, Jon. Have your inner Newton think along these lines:

• a) There is a pseudo-acceleration when the mass changes colors from grey to green. For a brief moment, the mass's weight moves from where it's resting to where it's suspended. 3rd derivative energy. It happens in a flash.

• b) When the color goes from green to yellow, the class of lever changes, like finger nail clippers.

By reason of full disclosure, this is not my idea. It is clever though.

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I'm going to discuss this idea and point out what I consider its merits.

All are welcome to chime in.

[JUBAT]

Well WC if there is a solution brought forth by Dec 25th and it's you and proven, I'll send you a hundred bucks as a gentleman's one way bet that it won't happen. I won't even need to know the solution....just a gift of congrats. Hold me to it since I'm a man of my word. When you fail I won't even throw you under the bus.

That being said, I think a sliding weight added to each pendulum arm would split the weight and compound it as it spins around.

I trust your judgment but I trust my skepticism more.

I'll keep my hundred bux ready.

[WaltzCee]

I'll keep my hundred bux ready.

I have 2 contingencies before I resort to going viral, Jubat. If I go viral, I'll write a book. Be so kind as to buy a copy. That is of course if my idea works in reality as well as it looks on paper.

• a) There is a pseudo-acceleration when the mass changes colors from grey to green. For a brief moment, the mass's weight moves from where it's resting to where it's suspended. 3rd derivative energy. It happens in a flash.

Jerk energy was first talked about @ BW by Frank Grimmer IIRC. I don't recall if he ever talked about how to capture it or what to do with it.

I see how to capture it in DS2008's graphic & have some speculation how to use it. For what it's worth, my thoughts on Up In A Flash (UIAF) technology predate DS2008.

[WaltzCee]

I call it a pseudo-acceleration because the mass hardly moves wrt the CoR yet its force on CoR moves from 1/2 the radius to the rim.

Putting some values to the variables:

• 3 foot diameter wheel

• change happens in one degree

In one degree at 1/2 the radius, the mass should move 0.1570796326 inches. At that same angular velocity the force should move 9 inches.

That's a factor of 57.295. I'm copying/pasting these values from a calculator. If any spot a flaw in my results, please chime in.

I'll take a break for some public review.