Part Three is the Charm

[WaltzCee]

Now are you gonna build the wheel? ;)

I am going to build some sort of wheel to be sure. The wheel? I've already SIM'ed what I think Fletcher views as the prime mover. It self started and in no time at all was spinning over 9 million rpm.

Harvesting energy at one place then spending it somewhere else? Might work, but kind of Rube Goldberg-ish.

Combining the 2 ideas? Maybe a better course for success. But no, none of those ideas.

If the build fails, I will strap on Fletcher's prime mover. Not to be confused with The Fletcher®, which is a whole nother animal.

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Having said all that, there is a principle more foundational/fundamental to the notion of perpetual motion than this idea.

You can take that assertion to the bank.

I've sharpened my pencil more times than I can count and got the problem to the point I get the same answer every time.

I can figure it now in my head. The only next step is to build it or shut up. I'm not the sort that's going to shut up, so I really only have one choice.

[Fletcher]

I've sharpened my pencil more times than I can count and got the problem to the point I get the same answer every time.

I can figure it now in my head.

;7) .. Is that answer to either take some back-torque away .. or .. add some forward-torque .. or .. do both at the same time ?

Good luck with the build .. I'd like to see somethin spinning at over 9 mill rpm, but 50 rpm will be good.

[WaltzCee]

or .. do both at the same time ?

balance, technique & power, grasshopper. :)
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I was thinking in terms of what I imagine your prime mover to be. I'm getting sleepy. :)

Good luck with the build .. I'd like to see somethin spinning at over 9 mill rpm, but 50 rpm will be good.

that was in the perfect world of simulation with no frictions and a perfect vacuum.

Purely theoretical. The idea has merit though.

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This just occurred to me

;7) .. Is that answer to either take some back-torque away .. or .. add some forward-torque .. or .. do both at the same time ?

None of those options. If one were to drill down into Euclid's ideas, they would see the answer. He's my favorite Greek thinker. Archemedes is a distant second.

[johannesbender]

I only sharpened my pencil ( because the waste basket was in the corner ) to avoid the teacher noticing me when she walked down the class to check everyone did their home work , as result my pencil never lasted long , i had to resort to borrowing pencils and if i could not borrow , well that pen needed a sharpening too haha.

[WaltzCee]

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  You're right that the idea isn't novel and I don't think it has to be to arrive at PM. Even Karl and B. stated something to that effect. Karl was surprised that such a wheel wasn't built in the past. The principle, whatever it is, could be right under our nose.
  
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::: sharpens pencil :::

That would be so embarrassing if true.

[Fletcher]

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You're right that the idea isn't novel and I don't think it has to be to arrive at PM. Even Karl and B. stated something to that effect. Karl was surprised that such a wheel wasn't built in the past. The principle, whatever it is, could be right under our nose.

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::: sharpens pencil :::

That would be so embarrassing if true.

The fact that Karl was surprised no one else had thought of it before B. is a strong indication that once he saw the mechanism and principle in action the penny well-and-truly dropped for Karl .. the clarity of the mmmmm-uh-huh-moment settled on him, as it would for us .. then his introspection noted there was no new unknown technological marvel present, only a unique rehashing of known mechanics that have been and are right under our noses ..

Would I be embarrassed if it is proved to be mechanics that were always right under our noses ? - of course, fleetingly .. because I didn't join the right dots in the right combination .. but that would be tempered with a little disappointment that the quest to find the mechanism and principle of PM was over .. but excited that we could look for ways to improve performance, strength, power output, and reliability etc .. and maybe build one for myself .. big relief that this group quest could stop incessantly bouncing around in our heads at last lol .. able to be a normal person again .. tho I suspect we'd look to replace it with another hobby with equally compelling evidence that needed rationalizing and solving ..

[JUBAT]

Ever the skeptic, I say it's all just mere talk until a real build is working. Personally I view talkers and simmers in the same boat as KB. Once the wheel is proven and working, then you can all push KB out of the boat, make me walk the plank for being skeptical, and bask in whatever level of glory you want.

It just doesn't hold much water nor does it change my mind that there will not be a runner in my lifetime.

[Fletcher]

The solution has always been chasing you Jubat .. but you have been faster .. lol ..

[WaltzCee]

Personally I view talkers and simmers in the same boat as KB.

Why do you do that. KB is an obvious fraud, making bank selling something he doesn't have.

People talking about an idea or SIM'ing it aren't bilking people.

Why the same boat?

[ovyyus]

Why do you do that. KB is an obvious fraud...

I'm not sure that's true. Have you actually talked with him? I have. He was a prolific poster here in the early forum days. I think there's a good chance he believes what he preaches. I know a few people like that. These true believers aren't frauds, they're just wrong. I'm glad Ken got that job and not me.

[WaltzCee]

I think there's a good chance he believes what he preaches. I know a few people like that. These true believers aren't frauds, they're just wrong.

When coin changes hands based on unsubstantiated claims, that in part constitutes the legal definition of fraud.

Ignorance is no defense. Ken is a fraud.

[ovyyus]

When coin changes hands based on unsubstantiated claims, that in part constitutes the legal definition of fraud.

By that definition the Pope is a fraud. A true believer isn't always a fraud, even if they make a career out of it. I'm not saying the Pope is a true believer, I wouldn't know, but I am a little suspicious.

[WaltzCee]

It is irrelevant how you modify fraud

• Ignorant

• Common

• Etc

He is still a fraud.

Changing the subject is no defense. Why do you defend this fraud?

I'm glad Ken got that job and not me.

[ovyyus]

Why do you defend this fraud?

Because I have doubt that he is a fraud. Weren't you paying attention?

[johannesbender]

In my theory and design I'm working on , I have determined there is not enough energy available for 360 degrees , and that the answer is to expend less than 360 degrees worth of energy and reach reset while having left over energy because you did not go through a complete 360 degrees , you have to skip along the circle , children do like skipping ,remember you heard it first from me :)