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  • WaltzCee ,i am no Bessler scholar and dont really remember everything about him , could you perhaps provide me with a link to this where it shows Bessler found his ideas from that?
I'll cover that point in my upcoming book,
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Will it be available as an ebook? I have a cnc router table sitting there doing nothing so this will give it something to do.

At the very least I can spin the phone the ebook is on and say....see there? It spins. :)
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  • Will it be available as an ebook?

The first edition will only be available as an ebook.
  • At the very least I can spin the phone the ebook is on and say....see there? It spins. :)
and this, sir, is why I'll need you to sign a release form before I ship your copy. I know you'll be tempted to sit on your phone & I can't be held responsible.
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johannesbender wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:46 am
... If the lifting post was real , i imagine if it was not fixed in place , that the movement inside would have caused it to move around and come to a stop .

A good example , imagine a pendulum , a simple disc with a mass at 12 ,however the disc is mounted on a trolley ,and you are holding the disc in place with your hand such that when released it would swing , now release the disc and allow the pendulum to swing , when the pendulum swings the trolley should start rolling about and weaken the pendulum swing.
jb .. I have built many sims of this pendulum on a trolley arrangement over the years - to mainly test the law of COE ..

I even built versions of the "interrupted pendulum" on wheels - the pend fell and the rope/rod connected a stop on the stand.

When no interruption the pend fulcrum swayed back and forth and the amplitude reduced as you'd expect ..

When interrupted the stand on the trolley moved in jerks across the screen, speeding up and slowing down - but the pend amplitude was reduced just like the You Tube vids etc ..

That linear motion test was my starting point for a comparison with my theoretical Prime Mover mech - and that was when I decided mine wouldn't work linearly as like these experiments of COE held true (i.e. PE + KE = Original GPE given) .. but rotationally might be a different matter - if the wheel stand was at least friction locked to the earth base ..

No time to explain the animation of the sim I just found and grabbed - I'm sure you can follow it ..

Anyways heading out the door on my road trip ..

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JUBAT wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 5:06 pm Will it be available as an ebook? I have a cnc router table sitting there doing nothing so this will give it something to do.

At the very least I can spin the phone the ebook is on and say....see there? It spins. :)
Could you release some details of the file formats for your router table.
And the max dimensions required in the file?

Thanks
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WaltzCee wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 5:39 pm .
  • Will it be available as an ebook?

The first edition will only be available as an ebook.
  • At the very least I can spin the phone the ebook is on and say....see there? It spins. :)
and this, sir, is why I'll need you to sign a release form before I ship your copy. I know you'll be tempted to sit on your phone & I can't be held responsible.
Yeah I was wondering if mobile phone shaped suppositories would be a thing, but then I realized if I put kb's ebook on an actual phone it works just as good.
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ArchCalc wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:10 pm All that was needed for a translocation is another set of axle supports just inches away. Lift one end of the axle up and over to the new one, the do the same with the one at the other end. Done!
I’m not sure about that. The two translocated wheels were nearly 12 feet with 6 foot axles?
It must have been a bitch to move them out of the floor to ceiling supports to another set of supports. Just getting them out of the supports would have involved some disassembly it seems to me.
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eccentrically1, IIRC there was a raised stage built around the wheel which would have given Bessler and his assistants access to the axle mounts so they could lift and translocate the wheel between the two sets of support posts. Given that the axle was over 6 feet off the floor then shouldering the wheel between the support posts would probably require at least a 3 feet high stage on either side of the 12 feet diameter wheel. The staging would also allow examiners to closely inspect the wheel axle (the reason for the translocation) and it might also help control access of bad actors who might try to pull the canvas covering for a peek inside.
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How did they lift axle pins out of the bearings?
The pins went through the supports.
Wouldn’t the pins need to be removed?
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agor95 wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:45 pm
JUBAT wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2023 5:06 pm Will it be available as an ebook? I have a cnc router table sitting there doing nothing so this will give it something to do.

At the very least I can spin the phone the ebook is on and say....see there? It spins. :)
Could you release some details of the file formats for your router table.
And the max dimensions required in the file?

Thanks
It uses gcode generated via v-carve aspire. Max useable size is 30 x 30 at the moment on a 48x48 table.
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Just getting them out of the supports would have involved some disassembly it seems to me.
That's how I understood the story of moving the wheel at the castle. Bessler removed the weights, put one in a hankie for inspection, made a spring go twang putting a weight back.

Who knows. I think a lot of the facts of this story are immaterial.
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Me too. First off nobody saw a spring...they only heard what sounded like a spring when Bessler pressed down. It was pure speculation. If you do further research into the various people who reported things about the wheel, you soon learn that their individual careers and fields of expertise were such they would interpret various things differently.

Imagine someone saying they heard a spring expand upwards. They heard a bang and the traditional vibration of a spring after it's been discharged. But now get a guy who builds and tunes tuning forks to report on what he heard vs a carnival carney working the bell and hammer game to tell what he heard and a musician to report on what he heard.

First guy heard the same sound as if you drop a tuning fork, next guy thinks Bessler was the incredible hulk, and the last guy heard a drum being hit while someone plunked the deepest note on the upright bass as hard as they could.

The speculative reports don't tell you a darn thing of any significance I'm afraid.
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The bearings were left open for inspection. The whole wheel plus axle was lifted out and off the lower bearing shell and carried across to the second set. The two sets of pillars were several steps apart, so that both sets could be examined at the same time. Space was needed to allow several people to attend. The staging gave the examiners the necessary height to closely look at the bearings and the pillars which supported them. Bessler and his brother couldn’t see each other while transferring the wheel so presumably talked to each other to guide themselves during the lift.

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Hi JUBAT

It uses gcode generated via v-carve aspire. Max useable size is 30 x 30 at the moment on a 48x48 table.
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I will keep a note of dimensions 30 by 30 mm; just in case I create a gcode file of an interesting object.

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