NEWS FLASH!! Fcdriver has a working wheel!!!!

[Grimer]

The article I gave merely gave the definition of the word, i.e. it's derivation from the Latin. Enlarged that definition is as follows:

A centripetal force (from Latin centrum, "centre" and petere, "to seek") is a force that makes a body follow a curved path. Its direction is always orthogonal to the motion of the body and towards the fixed point of the instantaneous center of curvature of the path.

Since you don't seem to like that definition I would be fascinated to know what word you, Silvertiger, would choose as your alternative. ;-)

Edit:

It seems to me that your confusion arises because in your anxiety to draw attention to the centrifugal force you are trying to ignore the centripetal force.
Both forces act on a radius member. We have action and reaction to keep the elements of a rotating radius component in dynamic equilibrium.

We have the centripetal force pulling an element towards the centre and a centrifugal force pulling the element towards the circumference.

The physical manifestation of these two forces is of course the radial tensile strain in the element.

Both forces are real forces. You can't be a little bit pregnant and you can't have strains produced by unreal forces.

[Silvertiger]

You're right. I'm not keen on that definition, although I'm pretty sure I won't go so far as to pick a new word lol. It's just that in my confusion and anxiety...I must have accidentally expressed a viewpoint. My bad lol. :) I like to look at things in the easiest way for me. I suspect that the perspective differs from person to person.

[Grimer]

You're right. I'm not keen on that definition, although I'm pretty sure I won't go so far as to pick a new word lol. It's just that in my confusion and anxiety...I must have accidentally expressed a viewpoint. My bad lol. :) I like to look at things in the easiest way for me. I suspect that the perspective differs from person to person.

Don't worry. You're not the only one. :-)

From Design Status Update, page 2.

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The only other mechanical forces known in physics are the centripetal, centrifugal, Coriolis, and Euler. The last three are all fictitious forces associated with accelerated reference frames and cannot be shown to do work external to the rotating frame.

I'm surprised you say that centrifugal force is fictitious.

It can be shown "to do work external to the rotating frame".

It expands the material. For a material like a steel flywheel this expansion is below the threshold of perception and only measurable with strain gauges.

For a material like elastic it is considerable and is the reason the Rubber Band Motor works.

Not only that but it hardly seems reasonable to say the the force pulling an element of a spoke towards the centre is real and the balancing force pulling an element of the spoke towards the circumference is unreal, is fictitious.

How does that expression go? Pull the other one it's got bells on. ;-)

[agor95]

I hope you know the bar has springs on either side of the axle?

It is me you should have seen my presentations.

@Silvertiger agree with your point.

The springs pull the mass to the centre.

Regards

[Silvertiger]

And of course my reasoning behind mentioning any of this is of course the question of how Bessler looked at the function of rotation. Did he mean "falling heavily toward the center" in reference to centripetal or in reference to centrifugal? If the latter then would that mean that the weights had their axles elsewhere other than bound to the main axle, such as perhaps on the rim for example?

[agor95]

@Silvertiger

And of course it is good you did mention this part of the puzzle.

I keep finding myself rechecking the translated words.

There is one point that I find true at this time.

The Bessler's comment on no Mathematician will find it solution.
[Paraphrased]

Now it's 300 years later so this will not be true.

However the interaction of centrifugal inertia, gravity & spring P.E.
is tricky to model.

It almost makes me want to build it.

However we need the proof in mathematical terms
computer simulation and a physical build.

And I really hope the translation members help us.

[Fcdriver]

To define gravity is very important!

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/gravity

[Fcdriver]

The most efficient lift, does not impede the wheel from accelerating by the downward force!
The most efficient drop accelerates the wheel, thru out its push.

[Fcdriver]

I’m back, after a few set backs such as health problems, I’m back.
Yes I had a working wheel! In short it crashed, do to my lack of control.

My basic question, basic theory has proven correct.
Working by a model of a small wheel, can’t produce a working wheel, the margin of error is too great, go BIG, or don’t waste your time!
My basic theory is Bessler made windmills, not bicycles, in short!

The larger the wheel, the less movement of weight, or imbalance makes it easier to make corrections. A light weight wheel vs a heavier wheel, such as a balanced 700 lbs, is educational.

[WaltzCee]

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• Yes I had a working wheel! In short it crashed, do to my lack of control.

yee need to resist the urge to paint it, brother. adds too much to the mass. Totally giggities up the dangle of the angle, thereby insuring all the sacred equations are wrecked.

Yep, total wrecked 'em.

• . .. .. . go BIG, or don’t waste your time!

yeah, that's what she told me last night.
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[Tarsier79]

Yes I had a working wheel! In short it crashed, do to my lack of control.

Define "working wheel".

[Fcdriver]

Rotation and acceleration on its own

[Fletcher]

Yes I had a working wheel! In short it crashed, do to my lack of control.

Define "working wheel".

Rotation and acceleration on its own.

What is your PLAN for your "working wheel concept" going forward from today Fcd, now that you have reappeared at BW.com and your health in check again ?

I take it that you no longer have the old wheel that you claim was a runner until it destroyed itself (crashed) because the braking method to regulate its rpm wasn't robust or efficient enough to stop runaway destruction ?

We are all a lot older and wiser since 2015 ..

Cheers ..

[JUBAT]

Welcome back from your road trip. I hope you had a good time taking a break from this ghost town. :)

[Fcdriver]

The last wheel used 270 degrees of lifting, while on the drop moving with the wheel,rotation, lifting slowly.
This next wheel is more of the Bessler wheel type, with movement within the wheel instead of off the wheel. Moved by lifting a much lighter weight. Even possibly a pendulum to dampen the uneven thrust, instead of added weight, as I used before.