Do Water Wheels Work?

[UbWe]

You can't prove anything you accuse everyone of. You can't even provide one shred of evidence that backs your claim of me being AB Hammer which I am not.

This is why you're not well-liked James. You make accusations that you absolutely can't back up which means you believe in your own lies. Give it up James. Go work on your wheel and dream big.

Baseless accusations, inability to prove. I move to dismiss due to an overwhelming lack of evidence.

Alan, it's like when you routinely posted that I have to be personally pleasing to you. And I would be banned. And when it comes
to your saying earlier I can either live with the memory of engaging with a priest (yourself) or have a fatal accident. That's what your
word play said, I am right, you have been molesting me, how do I want to deal with you having engaged me in an abusive way which
is the same as you molesting me. You keep trying to force yourself on me and you have a lot of support.
People will find it strange that I was expected to give up my work just as Wagner told Bessler to give up his work. And Alan, I think
people will see this forum as Wagner and his friends modern day version. And Alan, people will see I tried reasoning with you
in the thread you started calling me the ultimate fraud. While it was a baseless claim, your friends in here supported you.
And when I am attacked for pursuing Bessler's Wheel because I need surgery, people will wonder why orpheus.org supports such
behavior. It'll become known that when I had cancer that Stefan Hartmann supported you and your friends attacking me because as
you said, you will not let me use cancer as a shield against you. And I was banned in here for being more concerned about my
having cancer than wanting your green dot of approval. And yet you could've worked with me but then my being disabled
made me an easy target for you, right? How's that working for you?
And Alan, people will know that in both forums you are a good guy and I am not. And yet Alan, I don't like you.

[JUBAT]

I tried getting you to prove your claims and so far you haven't provided any evidence so your claims are false until proven otherwise.

I am also not AB Hammer and you haven't even proven it - you only think I am and then you believe it. LOL!

You are banned for your baseless claims and how you treat people. What you think might not be right and in this case...it isn't.

[UbWe]

Oyvvus - James said this and I was responding to his accusation: When oyvvus supported my work in 2019 as being your work from 2016.

I can't control what James says just like you can't control what you say. I doubt you and James can see how similar you both are :D

You're disgusting oyvvus. I'm building so I can have surgery. If I could have surgery without Bessler's Wheel, then why hasn't it happened yet?
You say I am like someone who does not build and does not need surgery. It's like when you supported ab hammer for calling me a fraud, what did I do to have you wishing I died from cancer?
When you said years of donations to cancer research is called into question because of me, why would you think that way about me? Why am I a fraud?
I think that is called slander as that thread still exists today. ab hammer was given a wide berth while I was banned. It might be like ab hammer said,
people who have no work (actual builds) need to protect their credibility.
And this thread shows what happens if I try discussing Bessler's work, It's like Jubat said, I have no authority to say I know something. And yet the 2nd post in this thread shows discussing what Bessler wrote is not tolerated. It's like later in the thread when Jubat wants to talk "wheel", why would I want
to discuss what he wants when I started a thread about what Bessler wrote and about his MT drawings? How does that make me similar to Jubat and
WC? I think people will find it odd that Bessler's wheel can't be discussed, at least I'm not allowed to discuss it. And I think people will agree that I was allowed to be trolled because what was I doing wrong when discussing specific things Bessler wrote about and relate it to his drawings?
And since I served in the U.S. Navy on 2 different aircraft carriers, I have a lot of experience with pumping water and oil because I worked in an
engine room and in a desalination plant. Then out of the Navy I worked as a millwright working on steam turbines, generators and related equipment
but am not allowed to think I know something? Are you aware of how that sounds? Between school and working in what I went to school for I can't
know anything, really?
And with the builds I've done and am working on, again I can't say I know something? I think people will find that mentality disturbing.

[UbWe]

Trying to blame me or this forum for your incompetence won't give you back your wasted life.

You supported ab hammer when he called me a fraud. And when he said I was building what he had already built, you asked me if I was
going to give him the credit he deserves. Why I have to ask you why you don't want to see Bessler's Wheel realized. What it says on the
front page of this forum;

This web site strives to shed light on the Bessler mystery through an exchange of ideas among enthusiasts, dabblers, believers, skeptics, critics, and all who share a fascination with the "impossible."

How does heckling someone who builds support the stated goal of this website? I don't see where it says "and hecklers". When I am able to demonstrate
a working wheel, I'll be saying with any responsible moderation Bessler's Wheel could've been realized 5 years ago and that would've been 5 years I didn't
have to suffer being attacked for pursuing surgery. I think will will wonder what kind of people attacks someone who needs surgery.
And I'll show where if I wasn't allowed to be harassed when I had cancer then I was close to realizing Bessler's Wheel. And yet for trying to discuss his work while building and having cancer, I was banned for violating forum rules. Both drawings are from 2009 when I was being treated for cancer. When
looking back at how I've been harassed for over a decade I saw the 2 threads I tried discussing those 2 things in. When you push down on a treadle the
grindstone rotates. The 3rd image shows that in a wheel. And when I realized how a 4 to 1 ratio using a peacock's tail can work, I changed the design to
what I am building now. And I think that will show everyone how poorly I have been treated because apparently actually pursuing Bessler's Wheel will not be tolerated, not even if a person has cancer.
And as Bessler wrote;

Around the firmly placed horizontal axis is a rotating disc (low or narrow cylinder) which resembles a grindstone.
https://besslerwheel.com/writings/das_triumphans.html

And with this he wrote;

Seen sideways or full face it is as glorious as a peacock's tail.
https://besslerwheel.com/writings/apologia.html

You guys are native English speakers and yet you don't understand what Bessler wrote because..............................
And the last image is with a "peacock's tail". How do you think it looks? People will wonder why I've been allowed to be harassed
when I build according to what Bessler wrote. Why is that a problem? And with the last image, the peacock's tail I'm using will need to maintain the largest radius until the overbalanced weights are at axle level. But I am allowed to be heckled because I am not allowed to say I am building this. I cannot claim to know Bessler's Wheel better than him which is what the heckler Jubat said. Why is he allowed to tell me what I can think? What gives him and his friends
the right to harass me?
It is like you said, I am like Jubat and waltcee. And Jubat said since I do not have a running wheel I have no authority to think I know what Bessler did
so I need to let him teach me how to talk "wheel". People will find that extremely odd. Why would I quit building to keep Jubat company for? What he
said about how a wheel might work made no sense to me and yet he is well liked while I am hated.
And oyvvus, I am aware that the only way Jubat and waltcee will stop heckling me is if I am dead. Why I'll never be able to show my face in public. And everyone in this forum is okay with them trying to get me to commit suicide.

[Tarsier79]

I'm building so I can have surgery.

I recommend plan B.

And everyone in this forum is okay with them trying to get me to commit suicide.

That is a blatant lie. No-one on this forum has done that. However, I personally do suggest that you go f@^k yourself.

[JUBAT]

There are at least 3 accounts of yours on facebook under the name James Lindgaard where anyone can see what you look like. You've also been in some of your youtube videos. Your face is already out there in public.

You have made great attempts at the wheel and I encourage your builds, however none of them have worked yet.

If you consider heckling what you receive by making outrageous claims about me and other members of this forum without being able to prove it, then that's what it is. AB Hammer hasn't posted on this group in a long, long time and I'm not him so the only legit part of your beef is with a member who hasn't posted for well over 8 years.

It's your behaviour and how you treat people that is the problem. Outrageous claims without showing proof and hanging on to old grudges is what brings you negative attention. Nobody here is wanting you to commit suicide. That is a conclusion you have drawn all on your own. I want you to live so you can keep building your wheels and making good faith attempts. I support your construction of your wheels 100%.

Quit making accusations that you can't prove starting namely with your accusation of me being AB Hammer. I am NOT him.

BTW: As a veteran you can get free surgery if it's needed by going to the VA. You don't need to build a working wheel in order to get it done. In the USA, veterans get good care and necessary surgery for free if they are low income or indigent and if it's truly necessary. Any reason you come up with to counter that is shooting yourself in the foot and self-defeating. I know because my best friend works at the VA and has received top honours for how he treats veterans.

I've encouraged you before to go to the VA, encouraged you to build your wheels, told you I'm not AB Hammer, and I have told you over and over and over it's how you treat people that gets you the most flak.

Tone down your mean treatment of others, ignore them and their past wrongs to you, and just build and show your wheels. Don't accuse people of things you can't prove. If you stop, they will stop taking issue with you. If you keep it up, then they will counter you constantly.

You will receive what you deserve by how you treat others regardless of how they've treated you in the past.

This is a lesson most kids have been taught by the time they make it to kindergarten and it's reinforced as they continue to mature.

It's done in an effort to prevent them from turning into someone like you.

The good side is you aren't in prison and it's never too late to change. Go speak your beefs into a mason jar and bury it and be done with it.

If you can make one post where you don't make one accusation against me or others on this forum, you will suddenly notice that people will start communicating with you and start making positive suggestions and so forth about your wheel. Be the change you want everyone to be. If you refuse, then nothing will change.

[JUBAT]

Speaking of your facebook page - you have an awful lot of fake scam female facebook friends who leave comments on your posts.

Do they ask you for money or your virtual love?

I only ask because you need to watch yourself. My friend Jay is a long time bachelor and he never hit it off with the ladies. Too much porn as a young man ruined him and left him feeling unworthy so he fell in love with the pictures. Now he has tons of fake scam virtual online lady friends that talk with him and ask him for money. He thinks there is a lovely lady on the other end who loves him, but she will never do a live video - only sends pictures and as far as the money, I can only hope that he never sends them any. I've warned him firmly about this.

I don't want you thinking any of these women are real and I certainly hope you aren't sending them any money. Maybe you already know this, but I care enough about the senior veterans in the USA so I speak up and say something. Yeah it's none of my business, but I can't stand idly by and not say something. It's not in my nature.

[UbWe]

I'm building so I can have surgery.

I recommend plan B.

And everyone in this forum is okay with them trying to get me to commit suicide.

That is a blatant lie. No-one on this forum has done that. However, I personally do suggest that you go f@^k yourself.

Plan B is suicide. I prefer Plan A. Alternative starts with A. 13 years has made me aware of this.

[UbWe]

Speaking of your facebook page - you have an awful lot of fake scam female facebook friends who leave comments on your posts.

Do they ask you for money or your virtual love?

I only ask because you need to watch yourself. My friend Jay is a long time bachelor and he never hit it off with the ladies. Too much porn as a young man ruined him and left him feeling unworthy so he fell in love with the pictures. Now he has tons of fake scam virtual online lady friends that talk with him and ask him for money. He thinks there is a lovely lady on the other end who loves him, but she will never do a live video - only sends pictures and as far as the money, I can only hope that he never sends them any. I've warned him firmly about this.

I don't want you thinking any of these women are real and I certainly hope you aren't sending them any money. Maybe you already know this, but I care enough about the senior veterans in the USA so I speak up and say something. Yeah it's none of my business, but I can't stand idly by and not say something. It's not in my nature.

Alan, I'd say you keeping me from working with or getting to know anyone online has made my life difficult. You are a Christian man who has a family yet you refuse to let me have a life. And as you've shown, people will support you while I try to pursue Bessler's Wheel so I can have a life. You keep saying I have to prove to you that I deserve to have a life and as oyvvus said, he will give you wide leeway to groom me. Why are you broken Alan to the point you stalk me from one forum to the next for 18 years now? That is a long time spent being obsessed with someone saying you will not let me have a life.
You even said you had this same problem with your X.O. in the U.S. Coast Guard. And Alan, you're the only person that tells me I need to quit building because you want me to talk wheel with you. There's nothing to discuss. Read your own threads you started, they last for a couple of pages and then
nothing. You've always been allowed to bully me and are well supported for that. I think people get something out of watching you do what you can to dominate me. As you said about being a fraud and regardless of what name I use, everyone always knows it's me. I don't hide my identity like you do.
And Alan, this is where you'll say whatever you have to appear to be supportive of you so I'll be the "bad" guy if I don't do what you want. And you and I both know that if I have to be nice to you because that's what you want then you'll be controlling me. And who knows Alan, maybe these guys don't want Bessler's Wheel realized. It might be as you said, it's about protecting credibility that hasn't been earned. And as I told you several times, go to a gay forum and talk "wheel". You'll probably make a lot of friends who will give you the attention you desire.

[JUBAT]

Meh. Lol.