Can someone explain...

[Jonathan]

Can someone explain Alden Park's ideas to me? I've been to his website and have read a good part of a document there, and I just can't understand him.

[VergingOnDone]

If you start a private forum message I'll explain a great deal, I'm just not ready to discuss all yet.

[Jonathan]

I'd like to hear what you have to say, but I don't want to take up space on Scott's computer if it is only going to be usable by you, him, and me. Feel free to email me though, and BTW, I can't handle attachments approaching 1Mb in size.

[VergingOnDone]

I left you a pm.

[AldenPark]

I am sorry that what I wrote is not as clear as it should be. I think that there are many others who have had much difficulty understanding what I have written. I think it sometimes may take years for some of the concepts to become clear. If I come to understand that I got a concept wrong, then I will try to correct or acknowledge the error in my errata/comments. I assume that some people have looked at the errata/comments file that I made on my Internet site. I put in headings for my comments so that might help with particular subjects of interest. I need to update the file.

Let's take a step back and see if we can get some understanding on what I wrote from some other approaches. Maybe Bessler can help out with understanding what I wrote. Since I wrote my long paper, simplified versions of some of Bessler's drawings from Maschinen Tractate may now be seen on the Internet (http://www.orffyre.com/mt.html). I noticed in part where Bessler makes a series of drawings with more and more detail/subdivisions. I have not had time to study many more drawings but it may help to understand some of such series drawings to think in the limit of where such drawings are going (say to the roller bearing or the atomic / subatomic level). Once one understands the concept(s) that Bessler is trying to convey in the limit case, then one can go back to my paper and think somewhat of what I discuss as limit cases of what Bessler is trying to communicate. Maybe this will make more clear what I should have tried to communicate in some cases. If one understands what Bessler was trying to so communicate in the limit and if it doesn't agree with what I wrote, then one might ought to stick with Bessler's arguments/concepts. I suppose that Maschinen Tractate is not in theoretical conflict with the chiastic Apologische Poesie und Poetische Apologie von seinem Mobile Per Se und Perpetuum Mobile which I noted contains two second level chiasms in its very title. The first second level chiasm is easy to spot though the second second level chiasm may be found with study as it is a little hidden but not too hidden if one understands that Per Se could mean "by or of itself". Bessler was poetically simultaneously defending [apologia, apologist] both his beliefs and his invention in his Apologia.

In the nutshell, for energy production by gravity, a horizontally rotating nuclear ground state containing equal but opposite charges will tend to acquire more rotational kinetic energy if the graviton is composed of two "electrostatic" attractive downward portions because there can be very slight time delays and spatial displacements in their applications (assuming the more downward charge is the first charge to be attracted downward). The greater the horizontal internal angular velocity it has, the more it will tend to get, until it comes to rotational equilibrium with its surroundings or there is a type of "friction" involved. One could think of how energy is apparently produced out of nowhere in horizontally rotating particles in say the solar corona. One could think of how a horizontally rotating forming snowflake acquires a large angular velocity rotating about a horizontal axis with that energy apparently coming out of nowhere. I could list other examples. The energy come from the graviton. If I am still not clear, I am sorry again for my lack of clarity. Maybe my clarity will improve with time. AEP - 13 March 2004

[Jonathan]

Hi AldenPark! I'm glad you responded, but I'm just not able to follow what you mean when you talk about these esoteric theoretical quantum effects. What I'm really interested in is how to make such a machine, I can figure out why it works later.

[AldenPark]

Simply stated, if you build Bessler's very low friction, high loading roller bearing, orient it so that the roller bearing is horizontal, surround a low wind friction wheel around it (almost any wheel), and spin it rapidly enough, then you will have Bessler's wheel. That was the information that Bessler was hiding. As I stated previously on my subject "low friction mechanical roller bearing", "... the highest priority problem that needs to be solved in producing a Bessler like wheel is to produce a high load bearing, low friction bearing ..." That somewhat ignored subject is the solution. It is all in the roller bearing and so allowing gravity to transfer energy to the surrounding rotating wheel without friction gobbling up the energy. I will try to make some postings to new topics (and my prior bearing subject) soon.
AEP - 21 July 2005 (the day before President Hinckley's 95th birthday)

[ken_behrendt]

Hi, Alden...

I, too, went to your website, but could not understand exactly what you were trying to say.

In this thread you wrote:

As I stated previously on my subject "low friction mechanical roller bearing", "... the highest priority problem that needs to be solved in producing a Bessler like wheel is to produce a high load bearing, low friction bearing ..." That somewhat ignored subject is the solution.

It sounds like you are saying that all that is necessary to build a PM gravity wheel is to mount a thin, heavy wheel on a low friction bearing so that its plane is vertical with respect to the earth's surface. It sounds like a fairly easy thing to arrange.

Can you provide a sketch of what such a roller bearing might look like?

ken

[Dave]

and spin it rapidly enough

Exactly how rapidly? I think a magnetic or ES bearing in vacuum would do nicely , but not exacly a PM machine.

[AldenPark]

My Internet site has not been updated in a while. I meant to but it doesn't have older and my most recent thoughts. Sorry. I have been and continue to be quite busy. I started new topics of Simplified Bessler Pendulum, Simplest Mechanism of the Bessler wheel is Itself with Orffyrean roller bearing, Are Ranque tube end temperatures attitude dependent?, rotating nuclear-ground-states, rotating nuclear-ground-states, and two part "electrostatic" graviton. Please read my comments.
I tried to show the suspected pattern of the lobes, and lobe holes (on surfaces of the cylinders) that I think that Bessler used in the subject area "low friction mechanical roller bearing" but to see it properly one needs to use a Courier or fixed spacing font as that is the font that I suppose that Bessler used on the surfaces of the cylinders in his bearing. Does anyone know how to produce a posting showing Courier or fixed spacing fonts? I tried to show what I think was the arrangement of the innermost cylinders on the front figure of my 2001 paper. Look at the six black cylinders surrounding the larger black cylinder.
The (how rapidly enough?) depends upon the amount of friction, especially in the bearing. Even low angular velocity wheels should show the property but the friction must be very, very low. I don't have quantitative numbers for you.
I don't understand why it said that I have 4 unanswered posts. Where are they so I can try to answer them?

[jim_mich]

Alden,

When this forum says you have four "unanswered posts" it means no one else has posted a reply to four of your new posts.

To post something using a fixed font use the "code" button. This will put the text in a box using a fixed font. Example...

Code: Select all

The text in this box
contains a fixed font. 

[AldenPark]

Thank you Jim_Mich.

[AldenPark]

Fig 58 p. 259 of my free book GWU shows the basic geometry of the Orffrean roller bearing. But there is an irregular pattern of tiny lobes and lobe-holes that needs to be grown on the surfaces of the rollers during bearing formation. There needs to be pure rolling without slipping of lobes within lobe-holes so that it is much lower friction than any conventional bearings machined today. See Fig. 61 p. 262 of GWU to get an idea of the pattern of grown lobes and lobe-holes. The sizes of the lobes and lobe-holes can vary. They just depend upon which sizes are grown during bearing formation.

[Soon]

Fig 58 p. 259 of my free book GWU shows the basic geometry of the Orffrean roller bearing. But there is an irregular pattern of tiny lobes and lobe-holes that needs to be grown on the surfaces of the rollers during bearing formation. There needs to be pure rolling without slipping of lobes within lobe-holes so that it is much lower friction than any conventional bearings machined today. See Fig. 61 p. 262 of GWU to get an idea of the pattern of grown lobes and lobe-holes. The sizes of the lobes and lobe-holes can vary. They just depend upon which sizes are grown during bearing formation.

You're talking Mt 125, right? I already built that. The mistake I made was inflating the bearing at the top and not the one at 90º.
Thanks for pointing out my mistake. And while this can't be patented, I've already done the math. When Bessler shows Mt 85 is
pumping water, it might be a literal statement.
WaltCee? Your opinion would be appreciated.

p.s., this gets into hydraulics. I'll let Walt or AB Hammer show the math. When I showed a table full of wire bound notebooks, I
did a lot of math. I'll let AB Hammer and WaltCee explain this. It's strange to think that Mt 125 if varied can work. Can you do the math?
And to have fun with you guys, Tesla ran his A.C. induction motor 90º out of phase. I am simply giving the answer away.
And now the question is, what did Bessler use for weights? Stones or water or maybe both in different builds?

p.s., bearing and bladder might mean the same thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOt6zVv ... rt_radio=1

[AldenPark]

I wasn't speaking about any particular MT. Essentially all of Bessler's devices would be perpetual motion devices, if they used an Orffyrean roller bearing, even a pure solid cylinder. They need both Bessler's ultra-low friction bearings and the Bessler principle, which principle is that any wheel rotating about a horizontal axis receives energy from gravity.