[ Ferocious Rate ]

[WaltzCee]

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Perhaps a single stationary weight held out at the rim and handed on by a series of wheel mechanisms?

A stationary weight isn't subject to cf.

That's true a stationary weight isn't.

I think this has been an excellent discussion. The two things I've taken away from it are

• Any movement of Weights within any wheell better get moving fast
  because they don't have much time to do their moving.
  
  And they're going to be moving against some horrific centrifical Force.

This certainly isn't low-hanging fruit.

that's what I thought when the discussion was happening here



thank you marchello for the use of your animation.
you are missed, hope your garden's doing well.

[Tarsier79]

CF doesn't have to be a problem, or even a hindrance.

[WaltzCee]

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It can be managed, Kaine. I agree.

That's an engineering problem beyond a question of the efficacy of any design.

[Tarsier79]

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[JUBAT]

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It can be managed, Kaine. I agree.

That's an engineering problem beyond a question of the efficacy of any design.

I hope to get around to sharing my deviant MT18 idea later this week. I think that to a point it's immune to the CF it produces, but the actual solved wheel probably isn't immune to CF either. If there is a solution, the innards have got to be dead dog simple with very little mechanical stuff going on. Just not enough energy nor time to move much of anything while rotating.

[WaltzCee]

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We're all aye's!

[JUBAT]

Thank you for the inspiration WC. I just figured I had a few minutes to buckle down and do the quickie mod to the diagram to show my idea.

To all who read, remember on the ascension how the small weights behave to get an idea of what I envisioned.

The first diagram is a copy of what WC shared and shows how the springs behave.

My diagram is the deviant MT18 with counterweights so that there is some weight disparity and to "tighten up" the sensitivity of the moving weight.

Like I said before - nothing major, a dead duck, but an idea that popped into my head over the past week or 2 in order to drastically simplify the machine.

[agor95]

Like I said before - nothing major, a dead duck, but an idea that popped into my head over the past week or 2 in order to drastically simplify the machine.

I like the images and they do help with the explanation.

When the device is run at 50 rpm, a ferocious rate, would the arms get pinned to the rim?

[JUBAT]

I haven't built it so I don't know, but the fall back force on the ascent would need to be greater than c.f. for sure.

[agor95]

I haven't built it so I don't know, but the fall back force on the ascent would need to be greater than c.f. for sure.

That is no problem as none has stated they have built wheel number 1.

If your design was the same size and rotation rate as that wheel with weights with a mass of 4 kg.
Then it is possible to check that pinning happens of not.

So the pinning of the mass to the outer rim would mean it is not really a 'Ferocious Rate' design.

[JUBAT]

I haven't built it so I don't know, but the fall back force on the ascent would need to be greater than c.f. for sure.

That is no problem as none has stated they have built wheel number 1.

If your design was the same size and rotation rate as that wheel with weights with a mass of 4 kg.
Then it is possible to check that pinning happens of not.

So the pinning of the mass to the outer rim would mean it is not really a 'Ferocious Rate' design.

I whole heartedly agree with your statements.

[Tarsier79]

Like I said before - nothing major, a dead duck...

Sometimes even the most wonderful idea is still a dead duck.

[agor95]

Like I said before - nothing major, a dead duck...

Sometimes even the most wonderful idea is still a dead duck.

Out of fun I checked your 'Wet Rag Dry Rag' ratio and it came out around 2:1.

[agor95]

I whole heartedly agree with your statements.

The radial outward force is around 96.7 Newtons and the downward force is 39.24 Newtons.
So the masses are pulled out more than pull down.

[agor95]

Where I was going to go with this thread is showing what to do in the other three quadrants.

One could say it is interesting there is no interest in the thread.