Sam Peppiatt wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:18 am
I don't think they can slip. The amount they turn is always equal to the ratio of there diameters. 8 divided by 11 equals .727, .727 turns for one turn of the wheel----------------------Sam
So the roller having a smaller circumference than the inner wall of the drum will rotate on it's axis than the wheel.
As you are seeing the roller rotate slower than the drum. It is another rotation you are talking about.
[MP] Mobiles that perpetuate - external energy allowed
JUBAT wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:41 pm
Oh that's cool! Are you using python/scripting for that trick?
It is fair to say I am using logic. The only person that can confirm the logic is valid is yourself.
At this moment I am deep in new knowledge that leaves me no time for programming
forum related items. However I am hoping what will be helpful in the end.
[MP] Mobiles that perpetuate - external energy allowed
Bessler's Wheel,
Converts the downward force of gravity to rotary motion. A here to for unknow species of machinery. It utilizes a translating bell-crank, to keep a constant force on a heavy disc rolling around inside of a drum. The disc shifts along the circumference of the drum, keeping the wheel constantly out of balance--------------------Sam
Hi Sam,
Georg Kunstler spent a lot of time working on a weight, continually shifting around in the manner you describe, and failed to achieve a gain.
What aspect is different in your wheel, that you think will make the difference.
As i have already said i don't understand what it is exactly you are trying to do.
If you are onto something, i would have though, but i could also be wrong, that you should understand what Georg was doing wrong with his attempts.
Would explaining, or trying to explain, what you think Georg's mistake was, allow us to get a better understanding of what you are trying to do?
Hi Robinhood 46,
I was just taking a break from the work, BS is so much easier. You have asked really good questions. Tarsier alluded to the same thing. The drum can't be in the center of the wheel. It only works if the drum(s) is out away from the center.
For instants, one at 9:00 and the other at 3:00. I think most experiments have the drum located in the center of the wheel but, I don't know every thing that Georg worked on. Anyway,, that's the main difference.
Do you know if any one else, that had or has the drums mounted out on a radius, maybe I'm wrong.
BTW, what things are you working on-----------------Sam
ETA, Robinhood, if you have any other questions, any thing at all, please let me know.
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I spent a lot of time trying to get various configurations to always shift over, they all failed miserably. Georg and i discuss it in my thread gravity wheels with a fundamental difference IIRC. The fact that what you are trying to do, if i understand correctly, does have the difference is the only reason i am interested in your current attempt, as I've already shared my view that without it, failure is guaranteed.
I know you are trying to explain what you are doing and that it is difficult to get our true thoughts across to others, which is why i suggest sharing why you think Georg failed as i did in the other thread. Maybe my explanation as to why Georg failed will help you explain your current thoughts.
I'm still working on my, in for a penny in for a pound thread.
I am currently trying to apply the same principal with MT24 style interactions between the different arms, when the light weight rises because of the swinging in of the weight. It is interesting but there are no promises of success on the horizon.
Just draw a drum one at 9:00 and another one at 3:00, with a roller inside of each, some what smaller that the drum.
If both rollers roll towards 3:00, the wheel will turn CW. The bell crank simply keeps them constantly rolling to the right for CW rotation. Let me look up MT-24---------------Sam
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