Adding a bell crank wouldn't solve the energy deficit, it's just a mechanism that needs to be cranked, and gravity can't do that.
Is it realistic to think of the bell crank as a phase shifting transmission useful in squeezing some energy out of a so called gradient between translational & rotational KE, eccentrically?
Adding a bell crank wouldn't solve the energy deficit, it's just a mechanism that needs to be cranked, and gravity can't do that.
Is it realistic to think of the bell crank as a phase shifting transmission useful in squeezing some energy out of a so called gradient between translational & rotational KE, eccentrically?
No, I don't think so.
A bell crank is just that. A lever that redirects a force. It doesn't add force or energy.
I believe Sam already posted it didn't work ?
How can you squeeze energy from a so-called gradient between TE and RKE? They're parts of the same package.
Ideas,
For some time I've been kicking around an idea where the roller would do work / stretch out a spring and then the spring would give the roller a boost, in some way, to turn the wheel.
Maybe I've found a way to do that, not sure yet--------Sam
I know WC believes he has discovered something that is so bizarre, akin to the seeds of creation, that he is excited to share with us all but not until he has secured the financial advantage for himself. I wished I knew what he was talking about, but alas i do not.
I have another mechanism I've thought up, but I'm on the verge of therapy as it is and I just don't feel like building another flop.
I can share this tidbit however - it simply involves off center rotation which I've been told is NOT the solution...but there are some promising leads contained within because it allows a wheel to go into balance and then severely off-balance with the hopes of sustaining rotation. 4 pairs of weights for a total of 8 weights. It functions as 2 pendulums which are way off balance and as they quickly fall and start coming up the other side, they suddenly go into balance.
I haven't yet decided if all mechanisms have to occur within 180 degrees or if they can be spaced evenly throughout the wheel. Technically they should be able to be on the same degree line...it's just that a pair of weights going down has to massively offset the wheel, while the pair going up is in balance.
Probably another dead duck, but drawing how the wheel sees the weight creates the loop de loop scrawls of Bessler.
JUBAT there is probably more than one solution. I have a concept that I've shared that is rather simple to understand. I have two weights that fall together 90 degrees like angel wings. They fall then the wheel rotates and then because one weight is heavier than the other it realigns separated again. The weights come together then they separate. The extra energy comes from the overbalance of the wheel tugging on the axle of the weights. This gives it extra force to cause the wheel to be overbalanced. So to test this you need the two weights and a weight to lift by a gear pushing it straight upwards. You tug the wheel while it falls and if it lifts the weight high enough then you have an overbalanced wheel. How hard do you have to pull on the wheel to make it lift the weight high enough? Because an overbalanced wheel will continue to be overbalanced if it gets the weights into position. So you can have this device move a little faster than natural to get it to work potentially because the momentum of the wheel causes the weights to lift up harder because of the clacker toy effect. The two weights moving together can be pulled by their axle like a clacker toy increasing its change of frame of reference. The increase in change of frame of reference of the weights also increases the speed at which it changes change of frame of reference creating more resistance. So the longer it swings the more force it builds up at the end of the swing it is most forceful and should push through the point where the leverage isn't supposed to work anymore. I downloaded FreeCAD. Do you think that is good software? Can I take a drawing from FreeCAD and input into a simulation software? Because I am not interested in using Algodoo.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain
Sam Peppiatt wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:02 pm
Ideas,
For some time I've been kicking around an idea where the roller would do work / stretch out a spring and then the spring would give the roller a boost, in some way, to turn the wheel.
Maybe I've found a way to do that, not sure yet--------Sam
At least the ideas keep rolling , good luck with the next one.
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Hi johannesbender,
Every dead duck is a little step up, a little higher up. Where you can see a bit farther. Several things I tried would cause the wheel to turn backwards which, lead to the idea to use them,(the rollers), to turn the wheel. Plus the clue you posted about NOT changing a radius as a way to turn the wheel, suggested by Bessler him self.
Maybe it's starting to come together. The idea is: At 9&3 the heavy roller stretches out the spring. At 12&6 the spring rolls the roller foreword. And, it would turn either direction.
Thanks for the encouragement jb---------------------Sam
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Sam Peppiatt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2023 12:11 am
Waltcy,
Is this something out of the twilight zone---------------Sam
I get a lot of images from wiki, Sam, & all the people who make them ask is if you use their graphics is to give them credit. I wanted to see how quoting the authors of the graphics would look.
They're not asking much. I like the looks of it.
ETA
It is a multi-faceted idea.
I know WC believes he has discovered something that is so bizarre, akin to the seeds of creation
Good & Bad
Wheel not working but, may have the right concept. Only two moving parts a roller and a lever, not counting the spring. No radius changes, no other weights moving around and, the operation is more or less continuous. Good foreword torque but, back torque as well. Also, mechanical problems; (a lot of friction).
Will work on the mechanical problems. Not sure about the back torque. What to about that-------------Sam
