Besslers prime mover and its enabler.

[Roxaway59]

Rather than give more detailed simulations I'm going to try short videos of my experiment and hope I can post them. Advice may be needed because me and technology don't work well together.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

I made videos and tried to post but unsurprisingly it didn't work so I will continue without them. If at first you don't succeed..... Don't go skydiving --)
Graham

[Roxaway59]

let me talk a bit about the action of the wheel now even though I'm sure it is obvious to most of you. The blue weight is what I call the lever weight and the yellow weight is what I call the main weight. Basically it is easier for the lever weight on the right side of the wheel to overbalance its main weight going past 12 o'clock than it is for the lever weight to start overbalancing its main weight for the left side when it gets past 3 o'clock. Once the one at 3 o'clock begins moving its easier because the overbalancing is non linear so once there is just enough overbalancing taking place it accelerates. I hope that makes sense I will revise this if it doesn't.
Graham

[johannesbender]

Speaking of Besslers clues at this point I want to ask members a question relating to the toy pages. You may have to look very carefully because Besslers drawing is very faint and I don't think he meant people to see this drawing. Does this remind you of anything?
Graham

Nothing comes to mind personally perhaps you can share what you were reminded of , but I think there are people over on JC blog who would state "it looks like a Y-lever" , I think (I am not sure) you are saying the levers is suppose to flip over on their own and once when they have flipped results in torque ?

Yes videos are a little tricky the best place to post them if they are pretty large is youtube although I am sure there are other options obviously.

According to your build , what was the result Rox59 ?

[Roxaway59]

I don't want to get the cart before the horse here so I'm trying to get things in the right order as I explain. If I do miss something out I will talk about it later. When I ran my experiment I noticed that although it worked in principal there was a snag on the horizon. Now I know that this is something that all of us expect to come across when attempting to build a working device. Bessler spoke about this even to the point of admitting that it made him weep. He also mentioned about going back time and again to see if old ideas could be improved upon. The idea that I'm showing you now I actually started months ago maybe even more but I left it thinking it was too problematic. I'm also pretty sure that I looked at something like it in wm2d years ago. I had hundreds of simulations on a USB chip that went out like a light bulb and I think this idea was played with in some of them. The point I'm making is that yes we come across problems after all you wouldn't expect it to be easy but there has to be an approach to a wheel where the barriers are not insurmountable. In the next post I will talk about the problem.
Graham

[JUBAT]

I think I see what's happening. It's the weights are folding over in the 3rd dimension so as to increase the weight density on one side of the wheel. It also advances and retards the timing slightly by nature of how the weights fold over and then back again.

I'm not totally sure I have that understanding right, but it does appear to be utilizing the 3rd dimension.

[Roxaway59]

Hi Johannesbender, look at page 169 bottom centre.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

Hi JUBAT, yes it is 3d.
Graham

[Tarsier79]

This thread reminds me of one of those youtube videos that you watch for 17 minutes hoping the cute brunette will finally sneak the fake snake into the pool to surprise her "unsuspecting" partner.

The "inverted pendulum" 3 weight setup has the same problems any other gravity wheel has. The COM has to be moved to above the axle which takes energy any way you slice it.

People often look for a reprieve from this in the Z plane. Theoretically anything that can be done (Purely) in the Z plane doesn't affect rotation or the COM. Most Z movement has an X-Y analogy in Sim world.

Ultimately, If Besslers wheel didn't have a fuel source, it was breaking the laws of physics. Perpetual unbalance in a gravity system requires mass to be lifted at less cost than the laws of leverage stipulate....

[WaltzCee]

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Hi JUBAT, yes it is 3d.
Graham

Although unlikely, Graham, (Pappy) the rabbit hole might go beyond three dimensions.

This thread is going to go viral, Graham! You will see. I'm just going to sit hear with my pop corn Sir. I wish you could post some screen shots.

[JUBAT]

Graham you should share the original larger picture because it's so small you can hardly make anything out.

Instead of weights folding over, it almost looks like these weights spin on a common shaft. Kind of like a 2 weighted fidget spinner.

I'm not seeing any rotation from this as it appears the weight is the same no matter what side of the hub you're on.

I enlarged your avatar and I see you have yellow and blue spheres which combine into green spheres. At least that's the symbology I'm seeing depicted.

I dunno...maybe they are kind of lapping over the spokes and half folding themselves over. Just can't deduce much without further explanation from you.

[Roxaway59]

Hi JUBAT, I did do a lot of posting today as I started my explanation of this and I needed to sort out other things for a few hours. I will be going through the full explanation of this tomorrow but for now yes the green represents a combination of the weights because they are in line.
Graham

[WaltzCee]

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blue & yellow make green! How could I miss such an obvious clue! I'm supposed to be a genius.

This is getting good.

[JUBAT]

It's nice to see a new idea posted, but at the same time, I still am at a total loss how different colored bawls effect movement.

[WaltzCee]

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the beginings of the symbiology describing the mechanics of perpetual motion? Don't ask me, I'm no genius.

ETA
It's
Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:32 pm
in my neck of the woods

ETA 2
If I noticed it, everyone must have noticed the 3:5 distribution John Collins decoded from Bessler's work.

Amazing.